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#1 User is offline   MarkDean 

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Posted 2010-January-16, 12:05

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Opps bid 1-2-4.
You lead 3/5, first trick:
4-2-A-9.
What do you return?
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Posted 2010-January-16, 15:49

8 next

oh sorry it is a problem, then I probably failed.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 04:54

Fluffy, on Jan 16 2010, 09:49 PM, said:

8 next

oh sorry it is a problem, then I probably failed.

Me 2.
Obviously other things could be right, but equally so can a diamond.
(If I'm switching, I'm switching to a low spade)
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Posted 2010-January-17, 04:58

So we know that partner has lead from Hxx

If H=Q or K, i don't see any difference(can't imagine maybe) in what we return.

If partner has lead from Jxx then K seems obvious.

e.g. declarer with Axx Axxxx KQT9 A

Hmmmm, but i think if K wins it is indeed better to play

I would never play small though, if declarer has Qxx i might have lost control of the deal.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 05:13

wclass___, on Jan 17 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

So we know that partner has lead from Hxx

If H=Q or K, i don't see any difference(can't imagine maybe) in what we return.

If partner has lead from Jxx then K seems obvious.

e.g. declarer with Axx Axxxx KQT9 A

Hmmmm, but i think if K wins it is indeed better to play

I would never play small though, if declarer has Qxx i migh have lost control of hand.

Clearly lead style is relevant, but I don't play with anyone who would lead a diamond from Qxx Qxx Jxx Q10xx on this auction.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 05:18

I would never play with anyone who leads small from KQTxx, QJTxx, KJTxx vs. a trump contract.

You prefer to lead from Axx? or Qxx? or Qxx? or Qxxx?

And sometimes passive lead is best and the most logical even if the bidding suggest something else. Hate when people are so dogmatical.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 05:33

wclass___, on Jan 17 2010, 11:18 AM, said:

I would never play with anyone who leads small from KQTxx, QJTxx, KJTxx vs. a trump contract.

You prefer to lead from Axx? or Qxx? or Qxx? or Qxxx?

And sometimes passive lead is best and the most logical even if the bidding suggest something else. Hate when people are so dogmatical.

I'm not being particularly dogmatic about leads in general. I said that neither I nor any of my partners would lead a diamond from one particular hand against one particular auction, and I stand by that; leading from Jxx on an auction that suggests an aggressive lead from a hand that has a much more attractive suit (Q10xx) looks obviously wrong to me.

When you are trying to construct ways to beat the contract, it's obviously correct to look at the hand you are giving partner and decide if the hand you are giving him is consistent with the opening lead.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 05:58

wclass___, on Jan 17 2010, 11:58 AM, said:

I would never play small though, if declarer has Qxx i might have lost control of the deal.

I don't see why that's a problem. Partner will win A and play one back to our king, and now we play a club. That caters for both Qxx AQxxx KQ109 x and Qxx AQxxxx KJ109 -.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-17, 07:58

I thought if declarer has Qxx AQxxx KJT9 A, he will be able to draw trumps, and avoid loser via discarding them onto and K.

If i play K i could still switch to .

But yeah, deal is quite impossible as partner would surely lead from QTxx.

Still i have a feeling K should be better. If i play K-small, declarer might sometimes misguess. Also it might help partner, if he wins your small return with A/Q and doesn't really know what to do next.
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