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Poll: Who gets the blame (20 member(s) have cast votes)

Who gets the blame

  1. 100% West 0% East (4 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. 75% West 25% East (4 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. 50% West 50% East (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  4. 25% West 75% East (6 votes [30.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  5. 0% West 100% East (3 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2010-January-11, 18:57

Scoring: MP


(P,i)-P-(1, ii)-X
(3)-4-(P)-4
(P)-5-(P)-5
(P)-6NT-(P)-7
AP

(i) 0-7 or 17+ (obv 0-7 here)
(ii) natural 8-16
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Posted 2010-January-11, 19:31

6N is freaking insane, but both players had already given the horse too much hay at that time.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 20:10

I think with the exception of the double and 7 (and arguably 4 although it's close) every bid E/W made was an overbid. I won't try to allocate blame further since there is too much, but west would get more since he won the overbid battle 3 to 1 or 3 to 2.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 20:21

I felt like the 5 cuebid was forced, and the 5 from East was the single worst overbid of the auction. If we are keeping score I think East did more.

But there was lots of enthusiastic bidding, that's for sure.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 20:33

IMO, things were pretty OK through 4.

Was 4 clearly an cue agreeing in these methods or was it a general force? If so, the 5 may just be an attempt to show a second suit.

5 seems like a pure "torture pard bid" and 6N is either plain bonkers or paying pard back in kind :)..
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Posted 2010-January-12, 03:04

East was about a red king short for his 5 cue.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 03:57

Hi,

I think 5S is too much, but at least partner should understand, that
5S is based on a heart fit, and in this context 6NT is just ...

5S is too agressive, you have 16HCP, you are missing 14 rel. HCPs,
iand p is a passed hand, i guess he would have opened with 12, i.e.
assuming that he has 11 out of the 14 is a lot wishful thinking, so 6H.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2010-January-12, 03:58

jdonn, on Jan 11 2010, 09:10 PM, said:

I think with the exception of the double and 7 (and arguably 4 although it's close) every bid E/W made was an overbid. I won't try to allocate blame further since there is too much, but west would get more since he won the overbid battle 3 to 1 or 3 to 2.

This means that West's 4 (overbid) , 5 (mega-overbid) , 6NT (no words...)
were... well ... poor , While East's contribution was the optimistic 5 (I think 4 was reasonable).
So it seems West gets most of the blame.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 05:14

MFA, on Jan 11 2010, 08:31 PM, said:

6N is freaking insane, but both players had already given the horse too much hay at that time.

Agree, nicely put.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 08:08

Too bad not playing a Meckstroth gimmick:
When are trump, 4 = RKC and 4NT! = voidwood ( void for )

♠ K76
♥ QJ54
♦ 98
♣ K987

♥ A863
♦ AQ5432
♣ AQ5

(p) - p - 1 - X
( 3) - 4 - ( p ) - 4NT! ( voidwood )

( p ) - 5C ( no key cards, excluding A )

.... but 6 "ain't going to be a walk in the park" .
Don Stenmark ( TWOferBRIDGE )
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