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Do you balance? And double or 2♣ if yes?
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Posted 2010-January-07, 08:25
Do you balance? And double or 2♣ if yes?
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Posted 2010-January-07, 08:30
Yes balance, and double in case partner has penalty pass.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:04
Yes balance and 2 club.
It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter.
It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:28
double, no problem yet.
I dont think it is close.
I dont think it is close.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:41
Codo, on Jan 7 2010, 10:04 AM, said:
Yes balance and 2 club.
It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter.
It is close, but my defensive values are not the best, so I really do not like to hear partners penalty pass, so I show my two suiter.
Way to be a good employee, Roland, this is lock step with Fred's choice not to pass with strong hands in direct seat
BTW I agree with your choices 
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:46
absolutely agree with the baseball logo.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:55
2C.
Partly a systemic question, if you have agreed to reopen, if short,
you have to reopen.
Since I dont want to play 1Sx, I bid my 2nd suit.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Partly a systemic question, if you have agreed to reopen, if short,
you have to reopen.
Since I dont want to play 1Sx, I bid my 2nd suit.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2010-January-07, 10:16
Double. If I wasn't going to double I would sooner pass than bid 2♣. What exactly is the rush to get in my Qxxxx minor on a bad hand? Either the opponents have missed game or partner wants to defend 1♠(X). In neither case is a knee-jerk 2♣ without considering what I am trying to accomplish going to be what partner wants to hear.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 10:20
2♣ might lead to a making game if partner is too strong, pass is a big gamble, but anyway I would double
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Posted 2010-January-07, 12:03
Dbl as well. Not a thing of beauty, to dbl with a void, but the hand has low ODR.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 12:10
Just out of curiosity...
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
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Posted 2010-January-07, 12:38
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2010, 01:10 PM, said:
Just out of curiosity...
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
I don't always double. Just on this hand
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:06
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2010, 01:10 PM, said:
Just out of curiosity...
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
7 hearts and a stiff club. How did you know?
Seriously I love the leap to the logical conclusion. I don't bid my Q5432 of clubs, therefore I must not play a 2♣ bid as natural!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:11
I strongly disagree with Josh that pass is better than 2C.
I would double though.
I would double though.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:26
I wouldn't sit for a penalty double of 1S with this hand, nor do I want to hear about his spade stopper, so I don't reopen with a double.
For me the choices are 2♣ >> pass > double.
It's more likely overcaller will continue with 2♠ than anything else - in which case I DO want to hear from my partner as to which minor he prefers, and DON'T want him to be a hero with his xxxx heart suit.
I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double.
For me the choices are 2♣ >> pass > double.
It's more likely overcaller will continue with 2♠ than anything else - in which case I DO want to hear from my partner as to which minor he prefers, and DON'T want him to be a hero with his xxxx heart suit.
I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:36
Siegmund, on Jan 7 2010, 02:26 PM, said:
I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double.
The upside is that 1♠X is a whole lot better option than you think it is.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 15:37
jdonn, on Jan 7 2010, 02:36 PM, said:
Siegmund, on Jan 7 2010, 02:26 PM, said:
I'm sorry, but I can't see any up side whatsoever to double.
The upside is that 1♠X is a whole lot better option than you think it is.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 17:51
pass >> 2c > double for me.
your partner didn't bid 1NT nor negative double, i would not be too surprised if opps would bid 4H after balance
your partner didn't bid 1NT nor negative double, i would not be too surprised if opps would bid 4H after balance
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Posted 2010-January-07, 18:03
Double
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 18:10
jdonn, on Jan 7 2010, 02:06 PM, said:
kenrexford, on Jan 7 2010, 01:10 PM, said:
Just out of curiosity...
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
For those people who always double as the reopening bid, wanting that lucrative penalty so much that natural description is thrown out the window, do you have any specialized meanings for new suit bids?
I mean, 1♥-1♠-P-P-2♣.
If I almost always double here, does 2♣ show some sort of 6-6 hand? Does it show seven hearts and a club stiff? Does it infer length in spades (ruling out the possibility of a double), something like 4-5-1-3?
7 hearts and a stiff club. How did you know?
Seriously I love the leap to the logical conclusion. I don't bid my Q5432 of clubs, therefore I must not play a 2♣ bid as natural!
What?!?!? I gave two natural options. 6-6, or 4513. What, if I give 100 options, 99 of which are natural and one of which is artificial, would you still accuse me of leaping to the artificial assumption? LOL
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