[ynrobinson]

Scoring: IMP

The bidding: 1♣ - P! - P!! - P

EW have 8 club tricks and a heart ruff. South went down 3, minus 150, minus ten IMPs on a pickup BBO game last night. NS missed a cold slam. Only two of the 16 boards reached the slam.

I sat west. I passed 1♣ hoping either to pass partner's double or to bid clubs at my second turn. North had only 5 HCP but an automatic 1♥.

I once held A9xxxxx of hearts and watched LHO bid hearts 3 times on KQJ10x and his partner raised to game on a singleton. That was an easy double for down 2, and I thought I'd never hold more than 7 trumps on defense. This time I held 8 trumps. Wow.

I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432. Other souths opened 1D, 1NT or 2NT.

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[helene_t]

It is nice, but not a must, to have a way to bid very weak hands in response to a nebolous club opening. For example by playing weak jump shifts, then this North hand can bid 2♥.

Anyway, agree that North has an easy 1♥ bid if not playing weak jump shifts.

[Cyberyeti]

This is a routine 1♥ response. My normal partnership agreement is to respond on this sort of shape if somewhat weaker than this also.

I have two stupid number of trumps stories, one is where team mates got their system in a twist and played in 2♣xx with the opening leader holding ♣AKQJxxxx.

Another was the auction 1♠-P(slow)-1N-X(T/o of ♠)-2♣-x-p-p-p

I was about to call the man in when partner said "you might want to see dummy first", so I said "Why, have you got 7 of them ?" and he put down AQJxxxxx, +380.

[bluecalm]

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I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432

I fail to see how it has anything to do with the hand. North has easy 1♥ response after which you are cruising to the best spot which is 4♥. The only person to blame here is N, he just made weak bid. Nothing to do which the system played.

[Fluffy]

If you are a sound responder over 1x, what I use as a test for answering or not is this:


If I bid 1♥ and partner rebids 2NT, do I wanna play game?

If the answer is yes, I bid, if the answer is no I pass.

On this deal it is easy to see you wanna play 4♥ opposite 19 balanced.

[Cyberyeti]

bluecalm, on Jan 6 2010, 05:21 AM, said:

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I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432

I fail to see how it has anything to do with the hand. North has easy 1♥ response after which you are cruising to the best spot which is 4♥. The only person to blame here is N, he just made weak bid. Nothing to do which the system played.

Nothing to do with this hand, but swap the ♠ 7 and Q and see the difference in final contract between 1♣ and 1♥ opening bids.

[pooltuna]

Cyberyeti, on Jan 6 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

bluecalm, on Jan 6 2010, 05:21 AM, said:

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I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432

I fail to see how it has anything to do with the hand. North has easy 1♥ response after which you are cruising to the best spot which is 4♥. The only person to blame here is N, he just made weak bid. Nothing to do which the system played.

Nothing to do with this hand, but swap the ♠ 7 and Q and see the difference in final contract between 1♣ and 1♥ opening bids.

I hate opening 1♣ when I am 4234 and hold

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[Cyberyeti]

pooltuna, on Jan 6 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Jan 6 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

bluecalm, on Jan 6 2010, 05:21 AM, said:

Quote

I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432

I fail to see how it has anything to do with the hand. North has easy 1♥ response after which you are cruising to the best spot which is 4♥. The only person to blame here is N, he just made weak bid. Nothing to do which the system played.

Nothing to do with this hand, but swap the ♠ 7 and Q and see the difference in final contract between 1♣ and 1♥ opening bids.

I hate opening 1♣ when I am 4234 and hold

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Why ? if you open 1♠ (as many people in the UK do) the auction usually goes 1♠-1N-3N and you've wrongsided it.

It's only bad if partner passes 1♣ with very short clubs (which is why we respond light with short clubs and only rebid 1N on the 19 count given).

[jdonn]

I love how we are discussing which minor to open with 3-2 or 3-4, and not passing an opening bid with QJ9xxx of a major!

[pooltuna]

Cyberyeti, on Jan 6 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jan 6 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

Cyberyeti, on Jan 6 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

bluecalm, on Jan 6 2010, 05:21 AM, said:

Quote

I don't like opening 1 club on a 4432

I fail to see how it has anything to do with the hand. North has easy 1♥ response after which you are cruising to the best spot which is 4♥. The only person to blame here is N, he just made weak bid. Nothing to do which the system played.

Nothing to do with this hand, but swap the ♠ 7 and Q and see the difference in final contract between 1♣ and 1♥ opening bids.

I hate opening 1♣ when I am 4234 and hold

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Why ? if you open 1♠ (as many people in the UK do) the auction usually goes 1♠-1N-3N and you've wrongsided it.

It's only bad if partner passes 1♣ with very short clubs (which is why we respond light with short clubs and only rebid 1N on the 19 count given).

because I play a first and second seat 5 card major system and open this hand 1♦ and 1♠ in 3rd and 4th seat

[mike777]

As a general guideline for when to respond when partner's opened, howabout this....


if its over a pass by RHO

bid on all 6 counts

Bid on most 5 counts, unless you are very flat, have no aces or tens, you do have some cards in pards suit and no good 4+ major.

With a 4 count, pass unless you have a 5+ card major or some other nice dist. features and your high cards are mostly working (not minor honors in side suits)

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Also nonvul many bid over 1c with few clubs and with zero points.

example, NV with this shape and zero hcp I would still respond 1h after 1c.

[dellache]

I don't understand north's eccentric Pass. I would also bid 1♥ without the Spade Queen.

[jjbrr]

LOL@the 8-3 trump break in a suit you opened (semi)naturally and declared. pretty sick

[rogerclee]

I once had the auction go

(1♦) 1N (P) ? ; 1♦ = precision, 2+

With me having 9 diamonds.

[jjbrr]

kids these days. always bidding their 2-card suits.