[DWM]

Scoring: IMP

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Bidding

1♣ - (1♥) - 1♠ -(P)
1NT - (2♥) - 2♠ - (3♦)

both sides playing a fairly basic 5 card major strong NT system.

what sort of hand could RHO have whislt sticking to a basic system?

As south what do you do now?

[dicklont]

Now that both opps have limited their hands East feels free to introduce his long diamonds despite his weak hand.

What do I know?
I know partner holds five spades and I failed to support them.

[gwnn]

RHO has either:

• a fit non jump. he wants a ♦ lead (against clubs or no trump? hee hee)
  
• artificial invitation to 4♥ with 2 hearts that got very good now
  
• limited knowledge of the principles of competitive auctions

[pooltuna]

DWM, on Jan 2 2010, 07:24 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Bidding

1♣ - (1♥) - 1♠ -(P)
1NT - (2♥) - 2♠ - (3♦)

both sides playing a fairly basic 5 card major strong NT system.

what sort of hand could RHO have whislt sticking to a basic system?

As south what do you do now?

West should hold a long fairly solid ♦ suit with less than 3 ♥. I would bid 3♠ as I expect partner to hold 6.

[gnasher]

The only meaning I can think of is a fit bid with 2-card support and concentration in diamonds, presumably exactly 2=4 since he didn't double 1♠.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-January-02, 08:54

[PaulLanier]

Since opps play a basic system, RHO's free bid of 2♦ or 3♦ after partner's 1♠ would probably be forcing. So with a weak hand and 6 diamonds, RHO elects to pass, then back in with 3♦ (I don't play it that way - on the rare occasion where the fourth bidder wants to force, a cuebid is fine).

That said, I would have raised partner's spades instead of rebidding 1NT (side doubleton, also takes 2♥ bid away from LHO and RHO).

Regards, Paul

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3S.

I usually dont care, what the opponents may show, in a sane
system, if I am interested, I am asking.
Given that I have a clear bid, I have no need to ask.

Depending on your system, you should have shown the support
one round earlier, but 1S may not have shown a 5 carder, so
I do it now, expecting to have discovered a 6-3 fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Jan 2 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

The only meaning I can think of is a fit bid with 2-card support and concentration in diamonds, presumably exactly 2=4 since he didn't double 1♠.

I agree except we don't know how they play double, so he could have more diamonds than that after all.

I think it's clear to raise partner's free rebid here with 3 card support.

[nigel_k]

LHO's 2♥ bid should be a pretty good hand since he has already captured many of the advantages of overcalling by bidding 1♥. To now bid 2♥ suggests he is close to making eight tricks opposite a passed partner. So RHO with a medicore hand and long diamonds may have chosen to pass but is now happy to try 3♦ knowing that partner is stronger, e.g. xx x KJ109xxx Qxx.

Anyway I think it's more likely 3♦ and 3♠ both make than both fail so will bid 3♠. Probably could try 3♥ instead since we have a good maximum and partner may bid game sometimes.

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Jan 2 2010, 01:33 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jan 2 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

The only meaning I can think of is a fit bid with 2-card support and concentration in diamonds, presumably exactly 2=4 since he didn't double 1♠.

I agree except we don't know how they play double, so he could have more diamonds than that after all.

I think it's clear to raise partner's free rebid here with 3 card support.

yep. I suspect the 3D bidder had a snapdragon 2-5+, but they don't play that.

That assumes sensible opponents (tolerance for hearts). 3S still must be right now.

[DWM]

My thoughts were on looking for a penalty, but looks like its better to take the should be safe conttract.

Also any thoughts on going for 4♠ rather than 3♠. This was my other idea as we have a 9 card fit, and we should have at least an 8 card club fit, opos have upto 4 spades, 8+ hearts, 6+ diamonds so no more than 5 clubs or we have a 10+ spade fit.

[jonottawa]

RHO is probably something like 1-2-7-3 with an ugly hand and good diamonds (maybe QJT9xxx or KJTxxxx)

I'm tempted to abstain. 2♠ is auto. I suspect the auction would have been much more successful and straightforward if you had merely made the obvious bid.

At the table against non-world-class opps, I pass. I'm not sure what RHO is showing and I hope LHO isn't sure either and bids again. If he does, I start doubling. The only point in doubling now is if you think you can scare them out of a makeable D contract into a hopeless H contract.

[bid_em_up]

jonottawa, on Jan 3 2010, 04:10 AM, said:

At the table against non-world-class opps, I pass.

What would you do against WC opponents?

The problem I see with this approach is that it is likely to be followed by two more passes and your side is cold for 4♠.

I think it's a close choice between 3♥ and a direct 4♠ here. I would bid 3♥.

[aguahombre]

East is not weak. He was just strapped for a call on the first round because of no "Snap", about 8 or so points, and 2-5 or 2-6 in the reds. So, everyone at the table is bidding, and it is just time to compete in partner's suit. 3H and 4S are too much, and 3H gives the opps extra tools if they are into it.

[whereagles]

Dbl. I don't think they're making this.

[hrothgar]

If it were me bidding three Diamonds, I'd be sitting on a hand with Heart support that wants a Diamond lead against a Spade contract.