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What do you do with this hand in matchpoints?

Poll: What do you bid with this hand after your p opens 1NT(15-17) (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid with this hand after your p opens 1NT(15-17)

  1. Pass (3 votes [10.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  2. Transfer to diamonds (18 votes [62.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.07%

  3. 3NT try (7 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  4. Others (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   Aberlour10 

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Posted 2010-January-02, 12:03


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Posted 2010-January-02, 12:28

I show an invite with diamonds. Just signing off in 3♦ might be better, though.
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Posted 2010-January-02, 13:27

Invite with diamonds seems right to me.
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Posted 2010-January-02, 13:35

I did a half-assed sim with this very hand and situation last year. Half-assed, meaning I gathered every 1NT opening I could find into a file and made sure it didn't have any duplicated cards :unsure: ended up with 86 hands.

No hand that would not accept a diamond invite would make game cold. Several which would accept the invite would also go down. A real sim by competent people might show differently.
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Posted 2010-January-02, 14:38

I would consider AQTxxx and out to be the textbook hand to invite in a minor over a 15-17 NT.
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Posted 2010-January-02, 20:18

I am a bit lost, reading the OP and the poll options it seems to me that there is no invite in a minor avaible.

Passing 1NT is out since this might lead to them playing 3M wich I'd really hate.

If no invite avaible I'd just transfer and pass.
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Posted 2010-January-02, 21:14

Fluffy, on Jan 2 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

I am a bit lost, reading the OP and the poll options it seems to me that there is no invite in a minor avaible.

Passing 1NT is out since this might lead to them playing 3M wich I'd really hate.

If no invite avaible I'd just transfer and pass.

yeh, I read diamond invite as the "3NT try" listed in the poll. But maybe your read is better.

Was thinking of the old fashioned 3D jump, which I don't have available, either. So, in your (my) system the choices are 3NT and drop dead in 3D. Based on my half-assed sim, perhaps the drop dead will be better more often.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 17:04

Having a way to show specifically HHxxxx in a minor is a REALLY valuable response to 1NT to have, if you like reaching cold 23-point games :)

Those of you who play the 2-under transfers might consider using your two steps to show "I have a high honor in your suit" and "I don't". (In my own system, we use 1NT-2S for both the balanced raise to 2NT and the minor-suit invite, with other bids for weak-or-strong minor.)
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Posted 2010-January-05, 08:23

helene_t, on Jan 2 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

I show an invite with diamonds. Just signing off in 3♦ might be better, though.

But how do you do that. I know you didn't vote for the last choice so you must be expecting partner to break the transfer but will he with just Kx♦?
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Posted 2010-January-05, 09:03

pooltuna, on Jan 5 2010, 03:23 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 2 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

I show an invite with diamonds. Just signing off in 3♦ might be better, though.

But how do you do that. I know you didn't vote for the last choice so you must be expecting partner to break the transfer but will he with just Kx♦?

Dunno, either it is a "3NT try" or "transfer to diamonds". Not sure how to interpret the poll options.
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Posted 2010-January-05, 11:57

pooltuna, on Jan 5 2010, 09:23 AM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 2 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

I show an invite with diamonds. Just signing off in 3♦ might be better, though.

But how do you do that. I know you didn't vote for the last choice so you must be expecting partner to break the transfer but will he with just Kx♦?

If partner says she has a bad hand for diamonds, I'm happy to play 3D.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-05, 12:55

hanp, on Jan 5 2010, 12:57 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Jan 5 2010, 09:23 AM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 2 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

I show an invite with diamonds. Just signing off in 3♦ might be better, though.

But how do you do that. I know you didn't vote for the last choice so you must be expecting partner to break the transfer but will he with just Kx♦?

If partner says she has a bad hand for diamonds, I'm happy to play 3D.

Are you then saying that ♦Kx in a 1NT opener is in of itself satisfactory for only playing 3♦?
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Posted 2010-January-06, 02:45

pooltuna, on Jan 5 2010, 01:55 PM, said:

Are you then saying that ♦Kx in a 1NT opener is in of itself satisfactory for only playing 3♦?

oppsite such a hand, game is probably at best about 70%. obviously one would want to bid 70% games, but missing a few of them isn't going to be panic me into dispensing with the rest of my system and its benefits.
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Posted 2010-January-06, 09:18

wank, on Jan 6 2010, 03:45 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jan 5 2010, 01:55 PM, said:

Are you then saying that ♦Kx in a 1NT opener is in of itself satisfactory for only playing 3♦?

oppsite such a hand, game is probably at best about 70%. obviously one would want to bid 70% games, but missing a few of them isn't going to be panic me into dispensing with the rest of my system and its benefits.

So how are you using a direct 3♦ bid over 1NT?
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Posted 2010-January-06, 11:11

Surely partner will accept with some hands containing ♦Kx.
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Posted 2010-January-06, 11:51

hanp, on Jan 6 2010, 12:11 PM, said:

Surely partner will accept with some hands containing ♦Kx.

assuming you play 4 suit transfers and partner bids 2NT as a transfer to ♦ are you going to break the transfer with Kx♦?
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