[mike777]

jillybean, on Dec 29 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

Partner opens 1♦, you hold

void,xx,AQJxx,AQxxxx

2♣ is gf with ♣'s
2♦ is inverted
3♠ is a splinter

Which path will you take?

3s splinter seemed easy to me...why....3s says I got long D...short s yes.


over 3nt....I got an easy 4c.....

Now I will read the posts and see what the heck i am missing...this one seems easy..

[Fluffy]

you should bid 4♠ rathert han 3♠ on your sequence jilly.

leaping to 5♦ is too pesimistic also IMO


I have no strong opinion between 2♣ and 3♠, 3♠ lets partner tell us how much useless spade honnors he has, while 2♣ gets the correct heart message and can splinter later (but too high as your auction showed).

[andy_h]

I don't get how people are thinking 2♣ gives the right heart message and 3♠ will overstate the heart values? Isn't 3♠ just saying to partner to like his heart+diamond+club values, and given we have ♦AQJ and ♣AQ, how many non-spade values are there that's left? And when we splinter, we are still able to deny a heart control to tell partner what the situation is if he has the worst case scenario of ♠Axxx ♥QJx ♦Kxxx ♣Kx

[jillybean]

Fluffy, on Dec 29 2009, 09:19 PM, said:

you should bid 4♠ rathert han 3♠ on your sequence jilly.

leaping to 5♦ is too pesimistic also IMO

Is 4♠ exclusionKC if we are playing that, otherwise a void splinter?

5♦ is a Im not sure what to do next bid.

[jdonn]

3♠ is my least favorite choice because partner is very likely to bid 3NT over that and I'm on a total guess whether or not to pass it (well of course I won't pass it, but now I can never get to 3NT when it's right). I think it's wise to try to avoid splinter when there is such a huge disparity between the side suits, not to mention the usual objections to splintering with a void.

I like 2♦ best. I can show my support, show my clubs next, and most importantly hear partner make several more bids at a low level (which a splinter completely preempts). 2♣ is fine but I like showing my support right away, and 2♦ means my second round bid will be cheaper. I don't think partner will ever expect support THIS good if we don't start with a diamond raise.

[whereagles]

I'd prolly splinter and then show the void with 4♠. Not sure if it's best, but it certainly is playable.

[ArtK78]

I hate splinter bids with voids. Of course, if your splinter bid SPECIFICALLY shows a void, then this is the hand to use it.

Bidding 3♠ and then following it up with club cue bids gets us to the 4 level before cue bidding starts. I would start with 2♣ followed by a diamond raise. I should be able to get the information that I need after that start. An inverted diamond raise is not a bad idea, either, but I believe that I will get more useful information by bidding 2♣ first unless I have a very good structure over the inverted raise.

By the way, after a 2♣ response, and possibly after an inverted raise, it should be possible to stop in 3NT when it is right. For example - partner holds AKJT KQT9 xxx xx.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Dec 30 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

By the way, after a 2♣ response, and possibly after an inverted raise, it should be possible to stop in 3NT when it is right.  For example - partner holds AKJT KQT9 xxx xx.

Um yes, possibly if you raise diamonds then bid clubs you will get to 3NT opposite that lol.

Your point was interesting because, with little/no discussion, I'm more confident in followups after 1♦ 2♦ than 1♦ 2♣, which I often find to be a difficult auction.