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#1 User is offline   raist 

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Posted 2009-December-20, 05:27

your hand is

K543
A9842
QT32
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bidding goes
(1H)-2C-(P)

that is, LHO opens 1H, partner overcalls 2C and RHO passes

what do you bid? (overcalls are generally sound)
and how clear are your decisions?
what are the possible bids you are thinking of and how would you rank them?
scoring is IMPs and all are non-vul
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Posted 2009-December-20, 05:57

2, then pass if pard rebids 3.

The reason to bid is our heart length, which makes it likely pard has a side suit.
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Posted 2009-December-20, 08:42

raist, on Dec 20 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

your hand is

K543
A9842
QT32
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bidding goes
(1H)-2C-(P)

that is, LHO opens 1H, partner overcalls 2C and RHO passes

what do you bid? (overcalls are generally sound)
and how clear are your decisions?
what are the possible bids you are thinking of and how would you rank them?
scoring is IMPs and all are non-vul

IMO anything but pass is like looking for a strange dog to walk behind (hope you have an old newspaper or a hose handy for your shoes). Almost certainly partner has short and chose to overcall 2 rather than make a TOX
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Posted 2009-December-20, 10:29

no bid
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2009-December-20, 10:54

Pass and hope we make it.
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Posted 2009-December-20, 12:19

a pass in tempo please
Olivier.
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Posted 2009-December-20, 13:42

To me, the better question is what do we do if we pass (as I think is 100% clear) and it goes double - pass - pass? The good news is that there is an excellent chance that LHO has the wrong shape to double.....may well hold too many clubs!
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Posted 2009-December-20, 14:21

One more vote for Pass. Nothing else is remotely close IMO.

mikeh does ask the more interesting question. Redoubling MIGHT be right, if partner has 4 diamonds, but I don't think there is much hope of a spade fit, and partner is gonna have a quality suit for a 2-level overcall at imps.
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Posted 2009-December-20, 14:48

yes i thought pass was "quite" to "very" clear on this misfit
but someone said you got to keep the bidding open since you may miss a game

so i was just checking
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Posted 2009-December-20, 17:40

raist, on Dec 20 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

yes i thought pass was "quite" to "very" clear on this misfit
but someone said you got to keep the bidding open since you may miss a game

so i was just checking

Did you perchance ask them if Nurse Ratched was treating them well? :(
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Posted 2009-December-21, 07:24

Pass is clear and imo redouble adfter the double is equally clear.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-December-29, 04:13

I guess pass is right but it's easy enough to construct hands for partner where you make game

AQ72  K7  9  KQJ975

Or would you have have doubled with that?

If 4th hand is going to act, 2 in the English style has merit, played primarily as the equivalent of a takeout double, not as a good club raise.
Of course a likely outcome is 2 - (no) - 3 - (X)
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Posted 2009-December-29, 22:23

I'd pass and yes I'd be worried about missing game.

If it goes double pass pass you just have to trust oyur opponents a bit, they have less strenght and are willing to let you play doubled, sounds like its time to escape.
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Posted 2009-December-30, 02:59

Pass.

It is close, with 9HCP I usually try to find a bid, but I would go with Pass,
mainly due to a lack of sensible alternatives.

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