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Hey Mike!

I am just wondering wich one of the minors are you stopping

Seems Axxx of ♦ is a stopper

Mike

[whereagles]

Hum.. yeah... if opener has a 3-card spade, my 4S bid doesn't work very well. LOL.

[PriorKnowledge]

The_Hog, on Jul 7 2004, 08:26 PM, said:

1H 1N
2S

2S is a GF. Your bid is?

That reverse is a GF in your system? Standard meaning is a 1RF.

If it is truly a GF, then 3S seems obvious (assuming that 1N denied 4s).

If it is a 1RF, then 2N followed by 3S showing a weak hand that does not want game opposite a minimum reverse also seems obvious.

[Chamaco]

The_Hog, on Jul 8 2004, 12:26 AM, said:

Imps, all vul if it matters.

1H  1N
2S

2S is a GF. Your bid is?

Qxx
x
Axxx
xxxxx

CASE 1
If 2S is gf it must have 19+ hcp.
In this case I bid 3NT.


I expect pard to have 4+ tricks in H and get 4 tricks in spades with my spades Q.
If we can survive a clubs lead we are home. With xxxxx, if pard has as little as x in clubs, opps may probably score only 4 club tricks and we get the rest.

If we do not survive the club lead, chances are that a forcing defence in clubs may defeat 4 spades.

CASE 2
If 2S can be as little as 17+,
I bid 2NT Ingberman/Lebensohl to which pard relays to 3clubs with a minimum reverse and I pass or correct (here I'd signoff in 3S).

[sceptic]

I thought if it is a game force bid, the weakest bid you can show is 4Spades, that to me seems appropriate here, shows no interest in anything else. and it is a 3 card support limit raise.

Intersting I did not realise 2 spades reverse was game forcing (or is that dependant on agreements?), I thought it was only forcing 1 round as your 1nt could be zero points depending who teaches you 2/1 I suppose.


Also I dont know enough conventions to know if there is one to show second suit support and the singleton or the A diamonds just in case pards reverse is super strong or super distributional

[Flame]

I dont understand those who bid 4sp, even if 2sp is GF, partner has 4 spades (even this is in doubt) so why bid 4sp on a 4-3 fit ? does 2sp must be a hand which want to play on a 4-3 rather then 3nt ? i think not, I can understand 3sp and passing a 3nt from partner. I understand the principle of fast arival, but this is only when you know the which kind (NT or which suit) you want to be in, if you dont then you can still check for it, and this doesnt necassarly show a stronger hand.

[pclayton]

Im for 2N, not so much because it slows down the auction (this is a Ingberman/Lebensohl sequence), but because I can let partner pattern out with a 4531, 4513 or 46??. If pard is 4531, this hand may play awkward with the tap in the long hand, and we might be better in 5♦. If pard has dub-dub in the minors, then 3N will be best.

Phil