[jillybean]

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ AKQT653 ♥ 4 ♦ 7 ♣ KJ93

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♠
 2♦    3♦*    3♥    4♠
 5♦    Dbl   Pass  ?

3♦* limit raise in ♠

And Merry Christmas

[georgeac]

i reluctantly pull. hopefully p has A♣ and we make.

[Siegmund]

The 4S rebid was a serious underbid. I wonder what 3N,4C,4D,4H mean over 4H here. Without any agreements I think I just bid 4NT over 3H.

Given the auction as posted, we gave up on a slam, but I still feel like pulling - we likely have no spade tricks at all on defense, and unlike MPs, 450 instead of 500 is not a disaster. Any other vulnerability it's an easy pull. Only EW red and MP is this tough.

[pooltuna]

jillybean, on Dec 25 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ AKQT653 ♥ 4 ♦ 7 ♣ KJ93

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♠
 2♦    3♦*    3♥    4♠
 5♦    Dbl   Pass  ?

3♦* limit raise in ♠

And Merry Christmas

After your 4♠ bid partner feels in a FP situation and doesn't want 5♦ to go by with you thinking a pull might be okay. Consequently partner probably has ♥ wastage and has a bad ♠ holding (at least from their hand's POV). Consequently I would take out insurance and pull to 5♠.

[helene_t]

We are in a forcing pass situation so partner's double is a strong preference for defending - if he wanted to leave the choice to me he would have passed.

Even so, I pull this one. My hand is extremely offense oriented with the extra spade length and shortness in both of opps' suits. It could be wrong, though, especially if LHO's vulnerable 5♦ bid can't be trusted. If p has xxx-KQJx-QT8xx-Q we are down in 5♠ while 5♦ would go for at least 800 and maybe 1400.

[Fluffy]

coem on jilly you could had for examplo:

♠AKQ10xx
♥xx
♦xx
♣KJ9

Or something worse. You cannot let them play at the 5 level with this hand, all you need is an ace to have options to make.

[jillybean]

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on Dec 26 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

4♥/3♥ would better describe this hand then?

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Dec 26 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

4♥/3♥ would better describe this hand then?

It was easier to say 4S was wrong, than to say what would have been right

Maybe 4 Clubs?
Maybe blast ace asking?
Serious 3NT if a tool in our bag?

p.s., in your o.p: 3D =l.r. or better?

[jillybean]

This was a pickup partner but in my regular partnership it would be LR+ so lets go with that.

[Winstonm]

aguahombre, on Dec 26 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

I agree with all except I strongly disagree with partner's double of 5D. This bid should show a strong preference for defending. I would expect partner's double to be more like Jxx, Qxx, KJxx, Axx

[pooltuna]

Winstonm, on Dec 26 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Dec 26 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

I agree with all except I strongly disagree with partner's double of 5D. This bid should show a strong preference for defending. I would expect partner's double to be more like Jxx, Qxx, KJxx, Axx

Why can't it be just a warning which says I have the worst hand for my previous actions?

[aguahombre]

As often happens, when a player (responder in this case) makes a questionable early overbid (3D in this case), they feel they later need to slow partner down. they do this by lying in a blackwood or cuebid situation...or (in this case) doubling which should show minimum offense and decent defense for previous bids. Here responder had great offense, but felt compelled to slow opener down by doubling.

All turned out well on this hand, because Jilly's hand had to run from the double.

[Winstonm]

pooltuna, on Dec 26 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Dec 26 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Dec 26 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

jillybean, on Dec 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

I did pull it, and made. Partner had J72,AJ86,A53,862 not a limit raise for everyone.

Maybe this one is easy but these sort of decisions have come up a lot lately. I don't like pulling partners double and Im not always sure if its good judgement or good luck, so I like to check.

right on every point.

Pard's hand not a l.r. for everyone (some will approve of it under pressure).
Nobody likes overriding partner, but you had to, after having bid 4S --which certainly could have been done with a less powerful offensive hand.
Pulling the double was good judgement on this round, and it is not always such.

Hovever, put the club queen in partner's hand, instead of the spade jack and/or heart jack, same distribution, and it would be an "ATB" question. Most of the people polled would probably find the 4S bid to have been part of the problem.

I agree with all except I strongly disagree with partner's double of 5D. This bid should show a strong preference for defending. I would expect partner's double to be more like Jxx, Qxx, KJxx, Axx

Why can't it be just a warning which says I have the worst hand for my previous actions?

If you think about it, that is close to what responder is saying with one little word added: I have the worst offensive hand for my previous actions.