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#21 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2009-December-22, 09:22

bluecalm, on Dec 22 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

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And would someone enlighten me as to the mistake on board 44? On 46 I suppose it is not switching to clubs but at 44? Is it playing a heart?


Meckwell bid slam off two aces...

I think 46 is more surprising. This defensive problem is very easy and I would be surprised if any decent player got it wrong at the table so it was definitely "simple" mistake.

It would be interesting for beginners/intermediates (..and for me :) ) if somebody could explain what is so easy and clear in the defense on board 46.
For me looking at the Clubs, I would think that I have a potential entry and I would try to develop 's.
...At the moment that a switch is necessary, what should be the step by step thought process to make it clear?
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Posted 2009-December-22, 09:41

bluecalm, on Dec 21 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

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For several years and over the course of many boards I had never seen Versace make an obvious error against me, but eventually it happened (twice actually). All players do dumb things on occasion.


Yeah... I saw a lot of vugraphs and two players which basically never make simple mistake in play (not bidding) are Balicki and Duboin. I saw a few of Meckstroth and Rodwell but taht's probably because there so many hands of them in the archives :)

If my recall is OK, the folllowing two stories are true enough ......

Story 1 - What Never? No Error? Well, Hardly Ever.

In the 2008 Australian Nationals, I was fortunate to have the privilege of playing in the same team as Cesary Balicki. After a match that I sat out, Cesary showed me the hand records and said:

"Peter, I think you're the sort of person who will like this hand. I'm defending 3D, the play goes like this, and you'e on play. Would you switch to a trump?"

"Ye-e-es, I would," I replied nervously, as one would when replying to one of the world's greatest card players.

"Of course you would, and you beat the contract, because it's the obvious play. But I thought that declarer was trying to con me into switching to trumps, so I tried the unlikely club play. This is a disastrous mistake, as you can see, for the play went like this. Again you are on play after you have just done the bad club play. What do you play now?"

"I switch a trump - I think it's not too late," I replied in trepidation. This simple and obvious play must surely be wrong, I thought.

"Of course you do, and you beat the contract. Somehow my mind still refused to play trumps, so I tried a spade. This is an even worse disaster than my earlier club play, and once again you end up back on lead. What now?"

"It looks hopeless now. I accept that at least it's only a little 3D partscore that I have let make," I said.

"No, no, no, that is the wrong attitude. Bridge is for hard workers. I was so proud that I had not been affected by my two earlier mistakes. I worked out that declarer thought I was defending like this for a reason. So there was one remote chance ... I played HQ now from Qxxx. If declarer mistakenly thought my earlier plays made sense, when they didn't of course ...."

"What good does HQ do?"

"I hadn't stopped thinking. Declarer now stopped to think. Why is such a good card player playing the club, then the spade and now HQ, he asked himself. It makes no sense. The club and spade plays must be a trap for me. Balicki is too good to defend like this. So instead of making his contract like a normal person would now, my HQ play leads declarer to do something stupid and he goes down one. Flat board, other table switched to diamonds. I was so pleased that I found the only way to give declarer a remote, rather ridiculous losing option (which he took) and that I didn't let my two mistakes affect my focus. It was more satisfying than a complex squeeze."

The conversation wasn't exactly like that, but the gist of the story is about right.

Story #2 - When Italian Eyes are Smiling

Alfredo Versace played the 2006 World Mixed Pairs in Verona with a woman so unknown that her name is still missing on the Results page of the WBF website for that event. Using Bridgemates, with 4 boards to go in each session every pair was given a scorecard with their score for the first 22 of the 26 boards.

At the end of the 5th session, I was waiting outside with some friends. Alfredo Versace raced up to speak to one of them. "Look at my scorecard for Session 5, don't you think bridge a wonderful game?" Alfredo said happily, smiling.

"What do you mean?" said my friend. "How can you call 39% wonderful, Alfredo?"

"In the first 4 sessions we scored 64%, 62%, 59% and 63% to lead the field by a margin of 3% - and I hadn't even been playing well. My unknown partner had been playing like a dream, and luck was with us. What would happen when I hit top form? So this 5th session, I play my very best, luck abandons us completely and we end up with 39%, although we have four quite good scores to come. Isn't this game magnificent, that you can lead the World Championship then play better but score worse so that you drop out of contention?"

"I still can't believe that you're smiling. In your shoes, I wouldn't be," my friend said.

Alfredo has won many World Championships and my highly talented friend has won none.

Is it possible that humility and humanity are good bridge traits?
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Posted 2009-December-22, 09:43

Look at it from the Hamman's perspective.
Rgr showed :Axx of hearts (count to first trick + queen taking the first trick)
He for sure has at least one spade honour. He didn't tackle diamonds so he has 4 tricks there. So his hand is something like:

a)Qxx Axx AKxx Axx
b)Qxx Axx AKx Axx
c)KQx Axx AKxx Axx
d)KQx Axx AKx Axxx
e)KQx Axx AKx xxxx
f)KQx Axx AKxx xxx

He will take 2 spade tricks (we know they break 3-3) 2 heart tricks 4diamond tricks and a club ace = 9 or if he doesn't have club ace he has 3spades tricks instead. Against hands c) and d) nothing helps. Against a), :), e) and f) club return is necessary. The heart play probably resulted from simple failure of counting declarer's tricks at least that would be the case with me if I played a heart.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 10:30

Look how much easier the defense on board 46 was at our table because my partner won the King of spades whereas Zia won the Ace of spades (a falsecard that may well have succeeded in tricking the wrong person).

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Posted 2009-December-22, 10:45

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Look how much easier the defense on board 46 was at our table because my partner won the King of spades whereas Zia won the Ace of spades (a falsecard that may well have succeeded in tricking the wrong person).


When I think about it you could switch to K of clubs because you knew declared had A!C while Hamman should've really played low club just in case declared had :

KQx Axx AKx Jxxx when king of clubs play blocks the suit...
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Posted 2009-December-22, 10:52

bluecalm, on Dec 22 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

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Look how much easier the defense on board 46 was at our table because my partner won the King of spades whereas Zia won the Ace of spades (a falsecard that may well have succeeded in tricking the wrong person).


When I think about it you could switch to K of clubs because you knew declared had A!C while Hamman should've really played low club just in case declared had :

KQx Axx AKx Jxxx when king of clubs play blocks the suit...

I doubt Zia jumps up with the A on that layout, but a low club could be right on other layouts when we are in a cashout and we need pard to hold the J or A to beat the hand.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 11:27

bluecalm, on Dec 22 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Look at it from the Hamman's perspective.
Rgr showed :Axx of hearts (count to first trick + queen taking the first trick)
He for sure has at least one spade honour. He didn't tackle diamonds so he has 4 tricks there. So his hand is something like:

a)Qxx Axx AKxx Axx
b)Qxx Axx AKx Axx
c)KQx Axx AKxx Axx
d)KQx Axx AKx Axxx
e)KQx Axx AKx xxxx
f)KQx Axx AKxx xxx

He will take 2 spade tricks (we know they break 3-3) 2 heart tricks 4diamond tricks and a club ace = 9 or if he doesn't have club ace he has 3spades tricks instead. Against hands c) and d) nothing helps. Against a), B), e) and f) club return is necessary. The heart play probably resulted from simple failure of counting declarer's tricks at least that would be the case with me if I played a heart.

Is it impossible that declarer had:
KQx=Axx=Kxx=AJ9x
Maybe declarer would not play Spade then and maybe Zia would not play Spade A, but IMO it is incorrect to say that an intermediate should easily find this play...Ok, mat it was never said 'easily', but IMO not a lot of intermediates will find the correct play (and knowing all these inferences). Or Fred has a different understanding of what an intermediate is.
Edit1: I was told that Fred took some time to think before playing s. Note that most intermediates will never take time to think before playing a card. The simply don't have the experience to have a enough to think to take time.
Edit2: I found this a very instructive hand! (also seeing that a WC player failed on it)
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Posted 2009-December-22, 11:58

Another thing I am curious about on board 46:

Over the years I have seen a handful of problems/columns/etc that involve pinning a stiff queen on opening lead. Invariably, the leader's suit looks like KJT9x or so. The author says something like "either you're leading into the AQ or you're not, might as well go for it", the K is lead, and there comes the stiff Q in dummy. I have tried this a few times on my own but haven't caught one yet B)

Fred, did you consider leading the K at all?
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Posted 2009-December-22, 12:01

billw55, on Dec 22 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

Fred, did you consider leading the K at all?

Yes, but not for more than a second or two.

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Posted 2009-December-22, 12:04

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s it impossible that declarer had:
KQx=Axx=Kxx=AJ9x


Not likely because natural play would be starting diamonds but even if he someone had it after heart return he will take : 3spades, 2hearts, 3diamonds + Ace of clubs = 9tricks.

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Ok, mat it was never said 'easily', but IMO not a lot of intermediates will find the correct play (and knowing all these inferences). Or Fred has a different understanding of what an intermediate is.


Well.. probably we are talking about different categories of players.
For me simple mistake is a mistake which could be easily avoided if given player took his time to count points/distribution/tricks and didn't make any obvious blunders in this analysis. Here the play is about as clear is it gets so it's "simple" according to my definition. It doesn't mean it's instantly obvious for anybody even elite players without giving it a thought.

I think the way to improve for me for example is to work as hard as possible to avoid such mistakes. I believe that what separates me and other "advanced" players from national top players (but probably not from world's elite) is about 5% judgement/technique and 95% getting those "simple" situations right.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 13:03

billw55, on Dec 22 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

Over the years I have seen a handful of problems/columns/etc that involve pinning a stiff queen on opening lead.  Invariably, the leader's suit looks like KJT9x or so.  The author says something like "either you're leading into the AQ or you're not, might as well go for it", the K is lead, and there comes the stiff Q in dummy.

The last time I tried the sexy K lead (from KJT9xxx) vs 3NT, I got the stiff ace in declarer's hand and the doubleton queen in dummy, allowing an unmakeable contract to make. So the K is definitely not without cost. The only reason I tried that lead was that my table feel told me that declarer was not thrilled to bid 3NT after I showed my long hearts and partner didn't raise, but I couldn't tell whether it was due to stiff ace or doubleton ace -- the only read I had was that he didn't have AQ.
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Posted 2009-December-22, 14:40

When I played in the LM pairs against Rodwell and Diamond, I had a choice of playing for them to have misdefended (not cashed out) or to just take one down (which I also happened to think would be a relatively poor score). So, I played for the misdefense for a very good board. It turns out that they had a signaling misunderstanding. Now I know that's in part because they are not a regular partnership, but it certainly happens even to the best of players.
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