[rduran1216]

Scoring: MP

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Your partner opens 1NT, pass to you.

Do you have the methods to be in a slam?

Where do you want to be?

[whereagles]

> Do you have the methods to be in a slam?

Yes.


> Where do you want to be?

At this stage a (return) trip to Mars would be interesting.

[Old York]

This hand might be worth a slam try, but partner figures to be 4-4 majors, so I dont get too excited

1NT-2♠ might work if partner can break the transfer by bidding 2NT (showing interest in both minors), or 3♦ (showing strong interest in Clubs)... following which, a 3♠ or 4♠ bid would be splinter?
If partner responds 3♣, I rebid 3NT and hope partner gets the message, obviously I would not bid this way without minor-slam interest

The danger is if LHO doubles for a spade lead against the probable final contract of 3NT

Where do I want to be?.... looking at the snow outside, I think any sunny beach would be preferable

Tony

[gnasher]

I have a way to show 5-5 in the minors and slam interest, so I'd do that and leave it up to partner.

[kenrexford]

If partner has the heart Ace, the diamond Ace-King, and the club King, for 14 HCP, slam is fairly laydown, whereas 3NT probably fails. So, I think inviting slam makes sense.

Methods matter, though. If you can show this hand, then I'd suggest doing it. Myself, 2♠...3♠ does the trick.

[Hanoi5]

3♠, 9+ cards in the minors, singleton/void in spades.

[aguahombre]

At first glance, it seems that the MSS 2S..3S and the (because of 4-suit xfers) immediate 3S call are the same in effect. But they are not. With MSS, a minor suit fit might already be established by the time 3S is bid --and this saves room at the 4-level or allows the partnership to still get out at 3NT with both partners knowing about a minor suit fit.

Not to mention the other uses for an immediate 3M bid, and the fact that game/slam hands with a single long minor can still be shown if 2-suit xfers are in use.

Back to this hand --slam seems harder to reach, or stay out of --if the immediate 3M bid has to be used.

[rduran1216]

Partner's hand is

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[Siegmund]

I don't think I get to this slam. I don't think I feel all that bad about it either, missing the DKT along the top heart.

After showing both minors and a spade singleton, my p MIGHT be happy enough about the SA and potential double fit to set trump with a 4C bid. But after I fail to cuebid, I think we are subsiding in either 4NT (very possible at pairs) or 5C.

[mikeh]

I'm not sure about looking very hard for slam, but surely we can sometimes aim to play 5minor rather than 3N even at mps?

1N 3♦ is often played (using 4 way transfers) as gf 5-5 or better in the minors, so that call is easy if we play the method. Opener can bid 4♣ since his hand is both club oriented and afraid of 3N with Qx in hearts. Alternatively, he can stall via 3♠...responder should avoid the lemming-like 3N with partner warning him about hearts...if 3N makes, 5 minor should be ok.

I should expect to stay out of slam....S really has no business driving there and N's hand is only fair in context.....it would be far better with 4=3=2=4 shape, as one example.

[aguahombre]

kenrexford, on Dec 23 2009, 07:32 AM, said:

If partner has the heart Ace, the diamond Ace-King, and the club King, for 14 HCP, slam is fairly laydown, whereas 3NT probably fails.  So, I think inviting slam makes sense.

Methods matter, though.  If you can show this hand, then I'd suggest doing it.  Myself, 2♠...3♠ does the trick.

or spade ace, diamond ak, club k --plus either heart queen or having the heart ace on-side.

Hence, after your 2S (MSS)and receiving a 3C bid, you would not clutter things up with 3S. There are six key cards because of the MSS, and asking with any tool other than 4NT will get you to the 5C contract missing two of the six key cards.

1NT 2S
3C 4C (kcb)
4D (0314) 5C.
P

8 or 9 tricks in 3NT or 4NT
11 tricks in 5C.

[gnasher]

aguahombre, on Dec 24 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Hence, after your 2S (MSS)and receiving a 3C bid, you would not clutter things up with 3S. There are six key cards because of the MSS, and asking with any tool other than 4NT will get you to the 5C contract missing two of the six key cards.

1NT 2S
3C 4C (kcb)
4D (0314) 5C.
P

8 or 9 tricks in 3NT or 4NT
11 tricks in 5C.

What will you do if he shows two key cards?

[P_Marlowe]

We play 2NT as either weak or strong with 5-5(4) in the minors.

I dont know, if I want to be in slam, but if partner likes his hand
knowing he is facing 5-5(4) in the minors with a spdae single, I
want to be there, otherwise I want to be either in 3NT (majors
well stopped) or in 5m.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I saw the actual hand, having Qx in hearts, p will want to play
in 5m, since he has an average hand, with some wasted values in
the majors he wont be encouraged to go for slam, and I have a min
for the strong 2NT version, so we will most likely stop in 5C.

[Cyberyeti]

By my methods, the auction would go 1N-2♠-2N-3N-5♣.

2♠ at least 5-4 in the minors slam invite or wto either minor
2N not 4♦, not 5♣
3N 5-5 NF
5♣ might pass at pairs, but ♥Qx looks horrible.

[aguahombre]

gnasher, on Dec 24 2009, 02:57 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Dec 24 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Hence, after your 2S (MSS)and receiving a 3C bid, you would not clutter things up with 3S.  There are six key cards because of the MSS, and asking with any tool other than 4NT will get you to the 5C contract missing two of the six key cards.

1NT 2S
3C   4C (kcb)
4D (0314)  5C.
P

8 or 9 tricks in 3NT or 4NT
11 tricks in 5C.

What will you do if he shows two key cards?

Then you tough out 4NT. Those 3 missing keycards will probably be what you lose. Partner still has an opening NT bid, hopefully.