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Lots of options how many will get votes?

Poll: What's your call? (40 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (6 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  3. 3H (11 votes [27.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.50%

  4. 3S (1 votes [2.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  5. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4C (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  7. 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 4H (15 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  9. 4S (3 votes [7.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.50%

  10. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. Would've made a different call at first turn (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2009-December-08, 14:54

IMPs, all vulnerable. You hold:

♠KJxxx
♥xxx
♦Q
♣KQ9x

The auction so far:

1♥(1) - P - 1♠ - 3♣(2)
X(3) - 3♦ - ???

(1) Five or more hearts; could be light in values (strong diamond with aggressive openings)
(2) Weak
(3) Takeout-oriented; usually three spades, top of the range (like 14-15 hcp)
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Posted 2009-December-08, 15:00

4♥
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Posted 2009-December-08, 22:14

3H. Partner knows I have this much strength, once I bid 3H freely/3D --overwise i would pass, or would have raised hearts the first time rather than 1S.

4H seems misdirected with 3 small hearts.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 22:25

4h


I am going to assume:
3h would be around 8-11
4h=around 12-13 or so.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 22:49

My first thought was 4H but on some more thought i figured this looks like a 16 trump hand. Assuming that, if we make 4H, they rate to go down 3. And if we make 9 tricks, let them be 2 down.

So, i want to let them play in 3DX
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Posted 2009-December-08, 22:52

mike777, on Dec 8 2009, 09:25 PM, said:

3h would be around 8-11
4h=around 12-13 or so.

8, 9, 10 would have raised to 2H the first time.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 23:22

I dont expect pard to have less than:


AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.
or
AQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void.

and could have more....
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Posted 2009-December-08, 23:29

mike777, on Dec 9 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

I dont expect pard to have less than:


AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.

What if partner holds Qxx AKJxxx KJxx x? Is double allowed with this? Is 4♠ better contract? Can I somehow ask partner to choose? Maybe 4♣ is option here.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 23:33

I guess you guys have everyone bidding 3c and 3d vul in the middle of our bidding with not much.....and then you give pard a total defensive hand.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 03:22

mike777, on Dec 9 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

I dont expect pard to have less than:

AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.
or
AQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void.

and could have more....

The original poster implied that 1♥ showed a maximum of 15, so he won't have any more than your examples.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-December-09, 03:37

♣KQ opposite shortness, ♦Q, awful hearts to get overruffed, and bad spades.

The one bid I don't like at all is 4♥.

Double risks that partner takes it as penalty, and if he has 3622 we are in trouble.
Still dummy will be mostly useless and ♦Q might have a play. If parnter has everything concentrated in our suits I hope he has the brilliant idea of taking this out.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 03:39

I'd like to make a forcing pass, but I can't. I bid 4♣, choice of games.

Am I starting to sound like a broken record?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-December-09, 03:46

Just 3 Heart, I would like to bid a choice of strain bid that includes 3 NT and 3 Heart, but I cannot, so I will show my support.
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Posted 2009-December-09, 04:26

gnasher, on Dec 9 2009, 04:22 AM, said:

mike777, on Dec 9 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

I dont expect pard to have less than:

AQx..AKJxx...xxxx....x.
or
AQx...AKJxxx...xxxx......void.

and could have more....

The original poster implied that 1♥ showed a maximum of 15, so he won't have any more than your examples.

again...i thought my examples were dead min.....not super max.....

I note even gnash force to game.


nowhere do I see a max of 15 hcp by opener in op.
A suggestion...is not a fact ....sigh........come on....

If so say so.....
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Posted 2009-December-09, 04:59

Dbl and lead a trump. Our hand is very defense-oriented and where are their tricks?
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Posted 2009-December-09, 05:09

mike777, on Dec 9 2009, 07:33 AM, said:

I guess you guys have everyone bidding 3c and 3d vul in the middle of our bidding with not much.....and then you give pard a total defensive hand.

Isn't it clear from our holding ♣ hat opps are biding for fun :)

ok. I agree that my example was bit too much defensive but I don't thing partner has to hold all the values in majors here so ♠ contract may well be better than ♥. Specially if there is entry problems.

Let say partner has nice hand like like QTx AKQJx Kxxx x or ATx AKQJx xxxx x? yes. Again extreme example to favor spade contract :)
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Posted 2009-December-09, 06:04

I like double. It passes the ball to partner I think, who might have some 4 diamonds. The thing is, are all doubles after a take-out double of this sort for penalties? In that case I'll pass and leave it to him.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-December-09, 06:12

whereagles, on Dec 9 2009, 10:59 AM, said:

Dbl and lead a trump. Our hand is very defense-oriented and where are their tricks?

not sure about you, but I am afraid of 7♦, ♣A and a ruff in dummy :)
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Posted 2009-December-09, 06:13

mike777, on Dec 9 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

nowhere do I see a max of 15 hcp by opener in op.
A suggestion...is not a fact ....sigh........come on....

If so say so.....

Well, it could have been clearer, but "top of the range (like 14-15 hcp)" says to me that "14-15" = "top of the range", and therefore 16 is impossible. Hence we culd add at most a jack to one of your examples (and even then it would look a lot like a 16-count to many of us.

Perhaps Adam could give us a definitive answer about the upper limit of 1♥?

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2009-December-09, 06:14

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-December-09, 06:17

As much as I love Mohitz' lawful analysis, I see no way of getting to 3♦x. Double and hope that p has four diamonds is too much of a gamble I think - he would pass with 3631 or maybe even 3622.

I bid 4♥. I think hearts is better than spades because we may need to ruff diamonds but not clubs, and because we may have 9 hearts but can't have 9 spades.

Aquahombre's argument for 3♥ makes sense. Not sure if I agree that I can't have a competitive 3♥ bid because of my failure to bid 3♥ before. I think that depends on partnership style.
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