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yes or not?

Poll: would you? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

would you?

  1. yes (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  2. no way (20 votes [71.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.43%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-December-04, 06:30

♠KJ1032
♥942
♦653
♣J10


MPs, NS Vulnerable, north dealer

ps-(ps)-ps-(1♣)
ps-(1♦)-??
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Posted 2009-December-04, 06:33

No
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Posted 2009-December-04, 07:24

no. :)
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Posted 2009-December-04, 07:35

Not at these colors. Too bad if CHO leads a Heart against 3NT by LHO.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 08:44

Fluffy, on Dec 4 2009, 07:30 AM, said:

♠KJ1032
♥942
♦653
♣J10


MPs, NS Vulnerable, north dealer

ps-(ps)-ps-(1♣)
ps-(1♦)-??

I voted "yes" I would pass rather than "yes" I would bid 1♠ :)
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Posted 2009-December-04, 08:55

Hell no. 5332, unfav, we're all passed hands and partner passed over 1♣.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 13:38

Depends on pard. If he's likely to take me too seriously, pass. Else I'll stretch to indicate the lead.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 16:43

Obv yes. We didn't open in 3rd seat and partner didn't bid over 1C as a PH, are we really scared of him going nuts or something? They almost surely have a game so unless I get doubled in 1S I'm not too worried, and I don't see that happening very often.

A much more likely scenario is that they get to 3N and partner is on lead and we save 1+ trick by partner leading a spade rather than the something else he was probably going to lead. Since this will probably happen about 20x as often imo as getting doubled in 1S or having partner bid 2S and getting doubled there, I think at matchpoints it is really obvious to bid.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 16:51

Jlall, on Dec 4 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Obv yes. We didn't open in 3rd seat and partner didn't bid over 1C as a PH, are we really scared of him going nuts or something? They almost surely have a game so unless I get doubled in 1S I'm not too worried, and I don't see that happening very often.

A much more likely scenario is that they get to 3N and partner is on lead and we save 1+ trick by partner leading a spade rather than the something else he was probably going to lead. Since this will probably happen about 20x as often imo as getting doubled in 1S or having partner bid 2S and getting doubled there, I think at matchpoints it is really obvious to bid.

I agree....especially since -200, which is usually a mp score to avoid at almost all costs, is almost certainly going to be a good score should we incur it (although it is tough to see how that would happen). Strangely, it is the weakness of our hand that makes bidding relatively safe. If we held an 8 count, for example, the opps will often lack the values for game and now -200, even undoubled, will be horrible.

Wouldn't bid at imps, tho, even tho the lead factor may be even more critical on some hands. Too often the lead will be about overtricks, rather than beating them.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 16:57

Now the vote is going to swing in favor of yes. But just for the record, I voted yes before the two previous comments :)
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Posted 2009-December-04, 18:06

Yes, but only if the opponents don't play Walsh.
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Posted 2009-December-04, 18:20

The_Hog, on Dec 4 2009, 05:06 PM, said:

Yes, but only if the opponents don't play Walsh.

Curious about that one. If the opps play Walsh their normal limit is only 7 spades between them. If they don't, it could be 8.

edit: oh, I guess you are trying to make them miss their heart fit if they bid up the line.
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Posted 2009-December-06, 08:59

1♣-p-1♦-p
3NT-p-p-p

partner underled ♥KJ9x, dummy had ♠Qx ♥Axx so have a wild guess :(.
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Posted 2009-December-06, 13:37

Fluffy, on Dec 6 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

1♣-p-1♦-p
3NT-p-p-p

partner underled ♥KJ9x, dummy had ♠Qx ♥Axx so have a wild guess :P.

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Posted 2009-December-06, 14:48

Fluffy, on Dec 6 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

1♣-p-1♦-p
3NT-p-p-p

partner underled ♥KJ9x, dummy had ♠Qx ♥Axx so have a wild guess :P.

If you had bid 1S perhaps they would have played 3NT the other way up?
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Posted 2009-December-06, 15:35

FrancesHinden, on Dec 6 2009, 09:48 PM, said:

If you had bid 1S perhaps they would have played 3NT the other way up?

But then we could lead a heart
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Posted 2009-December-06, 15:54

I want to overcall but got no backbone :P

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