[kenrexford]

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South ends up in 3NT. Spade lead.

This just seemed like a fun technique hand.

[manudude03]

Win the lead in dummy and DUCK a club?

If clubs are 3-0 offside, you're probably not making this, if its 3-0 onside you must duck to retain communication. If you overtake the spade and win in hand, the defence might switch to a diamond and take 1 club, 1 diamond and 3 spades.

Cashing the ace first would probably work too, but things can get messy with 3-0.

[hanp]

Ducking gives up potential tricks for no reason that I can see. If clubs split 3-0 onside you still have an entry in hearts.

[manudude03]

hanp, on Nov 27 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

Ducking gives up potential tricks for no reason that I can see. If clubs split 3-0 onside you still have an entry in hearts.

Just to clarify, are you just going to give up 2 club tricks? If not, you need to get back into hand somehow. Overtaking the hearts opens the suit up completely, while if LHO has the ♦Axx, he can prevent the diamond entry and attack hearts when he gets in.

[hanp]

Oh we are in dummy. Then duck a club yes.

[pooltuna]

kenrexford, on Nov 27 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

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South ends up in 3NT.  Spade lead.

This just seemed like a fun technique hand.

looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would play

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any ♣

but the

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A or Q

[manudude03]

pooltuna, on Nov 27 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would play

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any ♣

but the

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A

ok, im your LHO with KJT, play the queen

[pooltuna]

manudude03, on Nov 27 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Nov 27 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

looks like more technique is needed at MP. At IMPS I would  play

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any ♣ 

  but the

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A

ok, im your LHO with KJT, play the queen

OK not the Q

[ONEferBRID]

I think the DUCK first Cl is best... rather than Ace first : 87.5% to 75%.

If you play the Ace first, you may go down if 3-0 split ( 25% of the time ) since you will need 2 entries to dummy. You have them, but in the meantime a Ht switch after opps take the 2nd Cl lead removes the Ht K in dummy.
You lead the 3rd Rnd of Cl and another Ht lead sets up opps' Hts.
You lead to your Diam honors, but they grab the Ace and take at least 2 more Hts.

K J T     ---
K J       T
K T       J
K         J T

Play Ace first
25%    12 tricks    no entries needed to dummy
50%    10-11        1 entry needed
25%    down on ♥ switch

Duck first Cl
75%     cold 11       1 entry
12.5% cold 10 or 11   no entry needed if West ( LHO ) has K J T ( A Q over the K J )
12.5%   down on ♥ switch ( edit )

[kenrexford]

If the KJ10 is behind dummy, you

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will lose a club, heart switch, lose second club, clear hearts, and then the opponents end up in with diamonds to possibly cash out hearts. In other words, this situation is a disaster and can be ignored as probably hopeless.

If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart. That's bad.

So, get rid of the heart.

Win spade King. Cash heart King. Duck a club. Now, the cannot hurt you. If clubs split 2-1, win whatever they do and then run clubs. If LHO started with KJ10, you will eventually lead a club toward the AQ and hook.

[gnasher]

kenrexford, on Nov 29 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart. That's bad.

You might be on table. Personally, I'll be in hand, having overtaken the heart.

[ONEferBRID]

gnasher, on Nov 29 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Nov 29 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

If you win the spade and duck a club immediately, with LHO having KJ10 in clubs, they table you with a heart.  That's bad.

You might be on table. Personally, I'll be in hand, having overtaken the heart.

Exactly.... winning 10 tricks.
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ps. I did make an error in my previous post... on the duck-a-club.
You lose 12.5% of the time when RHO has the K J T because of the ♥ switch.

But, that said, it is still better to duck rather than Ace first: 87.5% vs 75%.