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evaluating partner's shortnes without fit

Poll: what would you bid? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

what would you bid?

  1. 3NT (21 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. 4 clubs (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  3. 4 diamonds (4 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5 clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 5 diamonds (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  7. other (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-November-29, 16:43

♠AJ4
♥AQ6
♦Q5
♣QJ752


1NT-2NT (transfer to diamonds)
3♦-3♠ (3♠ = 8+ with spade shortness)
??


you could had supperaccepted with 3♣ if it matters

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Posted 2009-November-29, 16:46

4D at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 16:52

3NT wtp, I don't even have three diamonds and the jack of spades stops the suit twice if the KQ are in the same hand. Or partner has singleton queen, or they lead something else, or we have 9 fast tricks...
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Posted 2009-November-29, 19:03

3 nt i feel rather forced to do this.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 21:14

3N
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Posted 2009-November-29, 22:34

3NT, immediately.

I dont like spade shortness, I dont have diamond support, why would I venture past what the whole world is in on such a lousy holding.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 23:37

3NT.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 06:43

maggieb, on Nov 29 2009, 05:46 PM, said:

4D at any form of scoring.

Do you bid 4D because of your big diamond fit or because of your lack of spade stopper?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 06:55

It kind of depends. If pard can have, say,

x
Kxx
KJxxxx
Kxx

then 5♦ is better. But if he rates to have instead

x
Jxx
AKxxxx
xxx

then I'll look silly if I don't bid 3NT. At table I'd probably go with the 3NT bid.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 14:14

4♣ was teh big winner as Partner had

♠x
♥xxx
♦AK10xx
♣AKxx

3NT buried the cold slam and the good grand slam. If it wasn't slow at least I might had reopened, but didn't feel like it on a tank.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 15:18

Isn't minor suit Stayman better with the North hand, instead of 2NT (trf. to D)?
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Posted 2009-November-30, 15:37

Fluffy, on Nov 30 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

4♣ was teh big winner as Partner had

♠x
♥xxx
♦AK10xx
♣AKxx

3NT buried the cold slam and the good grand slam. If it wasn't slow at least I might had reopened, but didn't feel like it on a tank.

Didn't partner show 6 diamonds? Most of us enlightened ones have a bid to show 1-3 in the majors with both minors.

I also think partner should pull 3NT to 4♣. He could easily have slam and is strong enough that 4NT is probably safe if not.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 16:24

3NT. Partner's "x" could be the 10, in which case we have two stoppers also, sometimes.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 16:35

jdonn, on Nov 30 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

Didn't partner show 6 diamonds? Most of us enlightened ones have a bid to show 1-3 in the majors with both minors.

Everything is a trade off - maybe there isn't room for a bid to show that in their methods.

Agree with (an in-tempo) 3NT, this is an auction where you just have to make your decision quickly. I can certainly sympathise with not wanting to pull a slow 3NT.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 16:53

kenrexford, on Nov 30 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

3NT. Partner's "x" could be the 10, in which case we have two stoppers also, sometimes.

How does partner's x being the ten increase our stopper power? Is LHO going to underlead the KQ twice?
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Posted 2009-November-30, 17:50

I think you are all overrating AJx power, if partner misses a diamond honnor you are finesing it through LHO, on a spade lead with spade honnors divided 3NT can really suck. But ok, maybe it wasn't partner's fault after all :)
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Posted 2009-November-30, 18:07

jdonn, on Nov 30 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Nov 30 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

3NT.  Partner's "x" could be the 10, in which case we have two stoppers also, sometimes.

How does partner's x being the ten increase our stopper power? Is LHO going to underlead the KQ twice?

The suit might not be led, but be switched to by RHO.
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Posted 2009-December-01, 03:30

Hmm.. good hand for a splinter, say 1NT-3♠. Then it's easier to see all honors working.

Anyway, perhaps pard could have bid 4♣ instead of 3♠. With 14 hcp and long suits, responder can afford to play 4NT if opener can't support a minor. (I'm assuming 4NT over 4♣ = misfit, pls pass.)

There are just so many hands on responder that make 3NT good that it's hard to know that 4♣ over 3♠ is the key bid.
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Posted 2009-December-01, 03:49

Fluffy, on Nov 30 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

4♣ was teh big winner as Partner had

♠x
♥xxx
♦AK10xx
♣AKxx

3NT buried the cold slam and the good grand slam. If it wasn't slow at least I might had reopened, but didn't feel like it on a tank.

Even with partner's hesitation I think you should bid 4♣. You know that you have a combined 29-count, and you have AK-AK. Opposite some muck like KQ10x KQJ Jx QJxx, 4NT is completely safe. Opposite KQ10x AQx Jx QJxx slam is pretty good.
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Posted 2009-December-02, 01:15

Agree with Nuno. Why not splinter over 1NT, or was that not available, Fluffy?
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