[gwnn]

82
6432
J853
Q52

1♣-p-1♦-1♠
p-p-1NT-x
p-?

all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid?

[helene_t]

2♠, I think he has 6 of them or a good 5-card suit.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Nov 24 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

82
6432
J853
Q52

1♣-p-1♦-1♠
p-p-1NT-x
p-?

all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid?

pass and lead a ♠

[the hog]

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on

[Jlall]

pooltuna, on Nov 24 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

gwnn, on Nov 24 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

82
6432
J853
Q52

1♣-p-1♦-1♠
p-p-1NT-x
p-?

all vulnerable imps. what has pard got and what do you bid?

pass and lead a ♠

You're not on lead.

[kenrexford]

Huh. And ELC-ELC Double?

Partner has spades and both minors, unless he converts 2♣ to 2♦ (he has spades and both red suits) or 2♦ to 2♥ (he has spades and hearts and maybe had clubs)?

Maybe.

In that event, 2♦ seems like the winning action.

[the hog]

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on

People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass

[Codo]

I bid 2 spade and this would not be close.
Yes maybe we have a better fit, but I won't muddy waters by searching it.

My partners play it different as Ron, they bid 2 heart with a twosuiter in the majors or they double 1 diamond.

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on

People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass

Yeah partner could never ever hold

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[peachy]

If I can trust partner, he has a good overcall with six spades, that is clear. If he had another suit and he wanted to compete further, he would bid the other suit. I am going to leave it in and trust that partner has it set in his hand. It does not take a 'mountain too big for a simple overcall' to set them, just long good spades and entries.

[mikeh]

pass

Partner has a one-loser spade suit, usually 6 times, and entries...they rate to fail more often than not, unless they win the lead and cash 6 tricks.

AQJ10xx Ax xx Axx....maybe some would double first with that hand, but I wouldn't be one of them.

Edit: that sounds too dogmatic: prototypically, he has that hand type, but he may also simply have a better hand, with shorter spades...whatever he holds, it isn't a majot two-suiter, and they rate to fail.

[whereagles]

I take it pard has some 16-17 5332 or thereabouts.

I was about to bid 2♠ but mikeh talked me into passing. 1NTx is not even a game.

[Al_U_Card]

I concur with the "if he had a ♥ suit, he would bid it" and he has heard the auction and expects exactly 0-3 hcp from me. With that hand, pass like Eli Manning.

p.s.

btw I have the "best" hand I could hold with some nice defensive cards...

[the hog]

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 10:45 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on

People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass

Yeah partner could never ever hold

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If partner held this and bid this way, she would be an idiot. She can make 2S and defeat 1NT. Why give the opponents a chance to escape to 2m or find a playable 3m?

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Nov 25 2009, 10:00 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 10:45 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Nov 25 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 24 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Bid 2H. Partner is making a takeout x with 5 biddable Spades and a H suit. Please don't crucify her by passing.

so partner couldn't be troubled to bid the ♥ suit and actually tell you what is going on

People that I play with usually know what is going on. The double here is far more flexible that a 2H bid. After all, if I have Cs sown up, then I may well decide to pass

Yeah partner could never ever hold

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If partner held this and bid this way, she would be an idiot. She can make 2S and defeat 1NT. Why give the opponents a chance to escape to 2m or find a playable 3m?

I only see 7 tricks so you may or may not make 2♠ but guess what if you don't give the opponents a chance to make a mistake they won't and even if they run to 2m nothing is keeping you from bidding 2♠ then. If they try to chance 1NTX you end up +200 even if partner is busted. And what part score is worth that much ...oh yes 2M+3

[the hog]

"If they try to chance 1NTX "
You clearly play against more palookas than I used to.

[barryallen]

mikeh, on Nov 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

pass

Partner has a one-loser spade suit, usually 6 times, and entries...they rate to fail more often than not, unless they win the lead and cash 6 tricks.

AQJ10xx Ax xx Axx....maybe some would double first with that hand, but I wouldn't be one of them.

Edit: that sounds too dogmatic: prototypically, he has that hand type, but he may also simply have a better hand, with shorter spades...whatever he holds, it isn't a majot two-suiter, and they rate to fail.

The problem I see with this approach is all you are doing is informing all at the table exactly what you have? With the bidding so far I cannot see this as being of great value to partner and allows the opposition to inexpensively find an escape. If they subsequently find a minor fit and can compete to the 3 level you then look in far worse shape for coming out with a positive score. Even if they escape to 2 of a minor with a moysian fit, it may be difficult to apply the penalty?.

I would share the view of "The Hog" in not seeing the logic in of having this bid for this purpose. The only winners I can see from announcing your holding after the sequence, would be the opposition?

1♣-p-1♦-1♠
p-p-1NT-x
p-?