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#1 User is offline   dude42387 

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Posted 2009-November-21, 16:50

AKQxx AKQxxx 10 10

what do you open this hand?

i would open it 1♥ but it was suggested to me that 1♠ was better
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Posted 2009-November-21, 16:54

You have more hearts than spades, so open hearts. That way when you bid spades twice next partner knows you have more hearts than spades (else you would have opened 1S) and you can get to the right trump suit.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 16:54

I would definitely open 1♥. This is a classic hand for 1♥...2♠...3♠. You cannot get more perfect.

Now, if I could open a forcing 2-bid and then show a 6-5 hand with two losers, now that would be tremendous. A theme, it seems, at least recently. I keep seeing this. Maybe 2♣...4♥ could show this?
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Posted 2009-November-21, 16:55

Whoever suggested 1S open is wrong with this strong hand which is more than worthy of a reverse.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 17:02

ONEferBRID, on Nov 21 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

Whoever suggested 1S open is wrong with this strong hand which is more than worthy of a reverse.

And let's say you are playing 2/1 GF, and partner makes a 2m GF bid over your 1H open. 2S now does not say anything about strength . Your 3S call next, however, will show your 5s/6h shape.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 18:14

kenrexford, on Nov 21 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

I would definitely open 1♥. This is a classic hand for 1♥...2♠...3♠. You cannot get more perfect.

Now, if I could open a forcing 2-bid and then show a 6-5 hand with two losers, now that would be tremendous. A theme, it seems, at least recently. I keep seeing this. Maybe 2♣...4♥ could show this?

The last time I constructed 2C response system it included 5-5 or better major hands. All the secondary jumps to 4C, 4D, 4H, showed extra length in one of the suits, i.e., 4C=65, 4D=56, 4H=equal length.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 18:39

ONEferBRID, on Nov 22 2009, 06:02 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Nov 21 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

Whoever suggested 1S open is wrong with this strong hand which is more than worthy of a reverse.

And let's say you are playing 2/1 GF, and partner makes a 2m GF bid over your 1H open. 2S now does not say anything about strength . Your 3S call next, however, will show your 5s/6h shape.

Don't generalise.
Maybe not in your system, however there are many variants of 2/1 where a reverse certainly promises extra strength. Just look up some old posts on this topic. Mind you, this hand is certainly worth a reverse, of course.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 20:12

The_Hog, on Nov 21 2009, 07:39 PM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Nov 22 2009, 06:02 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Nov 21 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

Whoever suggested 1S open is wrong with this strong hand which is more than worthy of a reverse.

And let's say you are playing 2/1 GF, and partner makes a 2m GF bid over your 1H open. 2S now does not say anything about strength . Your 3S call next, however, will show your 5s/6h shape.

Don't generalise.
Maybe not in your system, however there are many variants of 2/1 where a reverse certainly promises extra strength. Just look up some old posts on this topic. Mind you, this hand is certainly worth a reverse, of course.

I should have said in "standard 2/1" .
Yes, one of those posts was my variant, which can show a strong revers over a 2/1 of 1H open.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 20:19

dude42387, on Nov 21 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

AKQxx AKQxxx 10 10

what do you open this hand?

i would open it 1♥ but it was suggested to me that 1♠ was better

May I suggest that whom ever suggested opening 1♠ here is an idiot.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 21:26

Don't sugarcoat it, Neil. lol
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Posted 2009-November-21, 22:40

Lobowolf, on Nov 21 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

Don't sugarcoat it, Neil. lol

doesn't need sugar coating when he is right :)
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Posted 2009-November-22, 02:14

I suggest you do not believe anything that the person (who suggested to open 1S with this) is saying.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 19:55

agree... 1 heart opener here
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Posted 2009-November-22, 21:59

dude42387, on Nov 21 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

AKQxx AKQxxx 10 10

what do you open this hand?

i would open it 1♥ but it was suggested to me that 1♠ was better

on bbo forum......you shall learn all two suiters are opened at one level unless much much more :) :)


not sure why one spade is ever the best bid....:)
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Posted 2009-November-22, 22:28

"not sure why one spade is ever the best bid...."

Well Mike, this one is a 1S opening in my book:
AJxxx AQxxxx x x
Its not good enough to reverse.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 10:53

1H.

The only alternative to discuss is 2C, the hand is certainly powerful enough,
but given that you have longer hearts, than spades, it will get awkward
showing both suits at a reasonable level, so 1H it is.

Playing 2/1 with constructive raises, and a weak 4-7 raise included in the
forcing NT helps, but even if not, I would not worry that 1H gets passed out.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Opening the shorter suit with a 65 hand is a reasonable approach, but
this assumes, that the hand is not worth an reverse, and with a 65 hand, the
req. for a reverse drop.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 18:26

P_Marlowe, on Nov 23 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

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Opening the shorter suit with a 65 hand is a reasonable approach, but
this assumes, that the hand is not worth an reverse, and with a 65 hand, the
req. for a reverse drop.

The requirements don't drop, Uwe. If the hand is a fit, then you are in a good position - otherwise....
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