[H_KARLUK]

Ever observed four card bidders have some advantages in game bidding during opponents competition ?

[gwnn]

sorry are you using some sort of faulty translation software?

[kfay]

gwnn, on Nov 21 2009, 05:01 AM, said:

sorry are you using some sort of faulty translation software?

Dude this question is straightforward. I would certainly ask that in some other threads, though.

As for the question... I would think not. I can imagine a lot of preempt situations where I'd love to know if my partner had a 5cM or whatnot. Anyway in low-level competitive situations it's often easy enough, playing negative doubles or whatever, to determine whether or not partner is likely to even have a FIVE card minor, let alone 3.

[H_KARLUK]

gwnn, on Nov 21 2009, 06:01 AM, said:

sorry are you using some sort of faulty translation software?

No worries In fact could be. Believe me i am nearly lost. Such as, this evening we were kibbers on JEC teams. Phil asked to Jason in public not to use 'colour' as he is living in USA. But Larry disagreed and said 'it's ok'(Meanwhile I liked Jason's neat gesture as posted Turkish flag in his profile. During our short and friendly chat i learnt that he had nice impressions about Istanbul. Cool.)

Well, i am sorry if there are some grammar errors. I will try to improve, obviously still need some refresh. Thanks for remind

[H_KARLUK]

kfay, on Nov 21 2009, 10:17 AM, said:

gwnn, on Nov 21 2009, 05:01 AM, said:

sorry are you using some sort of faulty translation software?

Dude this question is straightforward. I would certainly ask that in some other threads, though.

As for the question... I would think not. I can imagine a lot of preempt situations where I'd love to know if my partner had a 5cM or whatnot. Anyway in low-level competitive situations it's often easy enough, playing negative doubles or whatever, to determine whether or not partner is likely to even have a FIVE card minor, let alone 3.

Thanks you shared

[Codo]

I think that 5 card suit bids have heavy advantages in competition.

[H_KARLUK]

Codo, on Nov 23 2009, 05:58 AM, said:

I think that 5 card suit bids have heavy advantages in competition.

How about this one?

As easily seen, when opponents won the auction, partner might not be able to find advantageous lead.

Such as :

Dealer : AKJ2 - 1086 - Q953 - Q7

1♦    1♥    P    3♥
P      4♥   AP

Is that right ? Maybe somebody have similar experience/s like this and would like to share here. On the other hand i would be glad to read some simple example referring a heavy advantage.

Thanks !

[helene_t]

Surely 4-card majors has advantages sometimes. I think on balance, 5-card majors has a small advantage, but this is a very complex issue and may depend on how freely you open a 4-card major and what your notrump range is.

Since most experts play 5cM, it's easier to get expert advice on how to deal with specific bidding problems if you play 5cM yourself.

As for the lead thing, it makes very little difference since most 4-card majorites have rules for which 4-card to open which do not depend on your suit quality. So no matter which system you play, you will open with your weaker 4-card suit on 50% of 4432 hands. Of course if your agreement is to open your stronger suit, you will get better leads from p, but few people play that.

[the hog]

H_KARLUK, on Nov 23 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

Codo, on Nov 23 2009, 05:58 AM, said:

I think that 5 card suit bids have heavy advantages in competition.

How about this one?

As easily seen, when opponents won the auction, partner might not be able to find advantageous lead.

Such as :

Dealer : AKJ2 - 1086 - Q953 - Q7

1♦    1♥    P    3♥
P      4♥   AP

Is that right ? Maybe somebody have similar experience/s like this and would like to share here. On the other hand i would be glad to read some simple example referring a heavy advantage.

Thanks !

Try this one -
1NT (1H) Uh, director!

[H_KARLUK]

The_Hog, on Nov 23 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Try this one -
1NT (1H) Uh, director!

I think such things you posted above neither should belong to this topic nor BBF ! How about to practice active ethics ?

[CamHenry]

H_KARLUK, on Nov 23 2009, 05:48 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 23 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Try this one -
1NT (1H) Uh, director!

I think such things you posted above neither should belong to this topic nor BBF ! How about to practice active ethics ?

That's not my reading of the previous post; I think he's saying:

"If you play a weak 1NT, you can open this hand 1NT. Opps then can't overcall 1H. That demonstrates one of the advantages of weak NT."

Playing a weak NT has downsides as well as upsides, but it's legal and ethical.

[helene_t]

Hamdi, I think you misunderstood. Ron's point is that playing a weak notrump has advantages in competitive auctions, too.

[H_KARLUK]

helene_t, on Nov 23 2009, 07:00 AM, said:

Hamdi, I think you misunderstood. Ron's point is that playing a weak notrump has advantages in competitive auctions, too.

Not really. still vague tones.

[H_KARLUK]

CamHenry, on Nov 23 2009, 06:59 AM, said:

That's not my reading of the previous post; I think he's saying:

"If you play a weak 1NT, you can open this hand 1NT.  Opps then can't overcall 1H.  That demonstrates one of the advantages of weak NT."

Playing a weak NT has downsides as well as upsides, but it's legal and ethical.

Are you sure ?

When opened any range of weak 1NT impossible to make a sound overcall ?

[gwnn]

the point is that when they have about 13 hcp opposite 12 and (semi)balanced hands and 4-4 fit, they will usually find their game over 1m than weak 1NT. anyway their ranges are harder to sort out after you open 1nt.

[the hog]

H_KARLUK, on Nov 23 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Nov 23 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

Try this one -
1NT (1H) Uh, director!

I think such things you posted above neither should belong to this topic nor BBF ! How about to practice active ethics ?

I don't understand your post. Since when is it unethical to open a weak NT?