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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2009-November-21, 18:14

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Playing 2/1 in a teams of 4 match against reasonable opps, you have the following (uncontested) auction:

1♦ - 1♥
4♣* - ?
*splinter agreeing hearts

Partner's other bids that would have agreed hearts were 2NT=near GF raise or better asking responder for hand type, splinters in the other suits and 4♥ itself.

Are people bidding 4♦ (agreed as last train), signing off or something else altogether?
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Posted 2009-November-21, 18:29

4D, too good to sign off not good enough to drive past game so seems perfect
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Posted 2009-November-21, 19:13

I think 4♦ is preety clear, a last train is needed on these cards.
Good trump quality is always usefull!

A hand like this one happened to me and my partner playing the last South American trials, when he hold:
AKXX
Qx
XXXX
XXX
and after i opened a ♦ and splintered to ♣. he bid 4♥, reaching 6♠ and gaining 11 imps.

PS: My hand was: QJxx
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AKQxx
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Posted 2009-November-21, 19:43

paca1987, on Nov 21 2009, 08:13 PM, said:

I think 4♦ is preety clear, a last train is needed on these cards.
Good trump quality is always usefull!

A hand like this one happened to me and my partner playing the last South American trials, when he hold:
AKXX
Qx
XXXX
XXX
and after i opened a ♦ and splintered to ♣. he bid 4♥, reaching 6♠ and gaining 11 imps.

PS: My hand was: QJxx
A1098
AKQxx
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Posted 2009-November-21, 19:51

With nothing wasted in ♣ I am happy to have that last train bid to use here.
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Posted 2009-November-21, 20:56

4♥
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Posted 2009-November-22, 04:11

H_KARLUK, on Nov 22 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

4♥

Interesting, why would you not bid last train?
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Posted 2009-November-22, 05:14

Rossoneri, on Nov 22 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on Nov 22 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

4♥

Interesting, why would you not bid last train?

I wonder. Don't we need partner to have too many 'right' cards to make a slam?

Assuming partner has a singleton in ♣, we need partner to hold ♦AKQ, ♥A and ♠A to make this a great slam. And if partner did hold all these cards, he hopefully will make a move over 4♥.

Similarly, with a club void and relevant keycards, partner can make a move over 4♥.

Obviously, there are hands like ♠AQxx ♥AJxx ♦AKJx ♣x where slam is good but even the absence of ♥J would reduce this to ~50% slam

We need to pull 3 suits without a loser and I suspect this is against odds.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 06:07

shyams, on Nov 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

Rossoneri, on Nov 22 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on Nov 22 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

4♥

Interesting, why would you not bid last train?

I wonder. Don't we need partner to have too many 'right' cards to make a slam?

Assuming partner has a singleton in ♣, we need partner to hold ♦AKQ, ♥A and ♠A to make this a great slam. And if partner did hold all these cards, he hopefully will make a move over 4♥.

Similarly, with a club void and relevant keycards, partner can make a move over 4♥.

Obviously, there are hands like ♠AQxx ♥AJxx ♦AKJx ♣x where slam is good but even the absence of ♥J would reduce this to ~50% slam

We need to pull 3 suits without a loser and I suspect this is against odds.

Isn't this the whole point of 4♦ being last train? So we put a bit of pressure off partner and if partner has a minimum ish for his splinter then he can sign off.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 06:11

shyams, on Nov 22 2009, 06:14 AM, said:

Rossoneri, on Nov 22 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on Nov 22 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

4♥

Interesting, why would you not bid last train?

I wonder. Don't we need partner to have too many 'right' cards to make a slam?

Assuming partner has a singleton in ♣, we need partner to hold ♦AKQ, ♥A and ♠A to make this a great slam. And if partner did hold all these cards, he hopefully will make a move over 4♥.

Similarly, with a club void and relevant keycards, partner can make a move over 4♥.

Obviously, there are hands like ♠AQxx ♥AJxx ♦AKJx ♣x where slam is good but even the absence of ♥J would reduce this to ~50% slam

We need to pull 3 suits without a loser and I suspect this is against odds.

You know partner has a club void sometimes right? You know partner has 5+ diamonds sometimes right? You know partner has up to 21 HCP right? The hand you gave him is not remotely close to a maximum splinter, and is much closer to a minimum.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 06:23

andy_h, on Nov 22 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

Isn't this the whole point of 4♦ being last train? So we put a bit of pressure off partner and if partner has a minimum ish for his splinter then he can sign off.

Oh, I get it now. This (and justin's comment) are most helpful
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Posted 2009-November-22, 08:14

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Posted 2009-November-22, 10:42

Change the spade king into the queen and it would be very close, I would sign off then. Now it is not so close imo.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 13:12

Yes definitely 4♦. But you have to watch out if your partner is, I would say, less than advanced. There are players who will not only splinter too light here, but then bid on over any encouragement on every hand.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 16:24

This was the full hand:

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(apologies for the xs in the north hand)

Presumably North is moving opposite a last train, and passing 4♥?

Edit: had north/south wrong way around
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Posted 2009-November-22, 18:15

I think north should sign off. He has a 16 count and his trumps aren't great. However even if he moves slam is playable, so it's close either way.
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