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there's NEVER enough atb in the world!

Poll: atb (23 member(s) have cast votes)

atb

  1. N! (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  2. N (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  3. S (4 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

  4. S! (13 votes [56.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.52%

  5. NS!! (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  6. NS (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  7. nobody, perfectly normal. (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-November-10, 17:52

xxx
9xxx
xx
xxxx

opp

AT9x
x
AKJT9x
xx

1♣-p-1♥-2♦
4♥-p-p-4♠
X-p-p-p

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Posted 2009-November-10, 18:52

I'll call this one unlucky. I mean could south have caught any worse at all? I guess he could double 4♥ instead but that looks like 590 or 690 anyway.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 19:14

4S bid is silly, perfect hand to X 4H with. North assumed south was 5-6 I guess, seems reasonable.

Sometimes partner has the worst possible hand and they make.
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Posted 2009-November-11, 18:12

North wasn't on the same wavelenght this time, he should bid 5♦ IMO. But south could shut up as well
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Posted 2009-November-11, 19:07

I also much prefer X and would pass 4♠ with the weak hand
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Posted 2009-November-11, 19:18

Doesn't S bid 2NT with a 5-6? Then 4S should be 4-6? Not saying this particular 4-6, maybe KQJ KQJ or something.
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Posted 2009-November-11, 19:37

gwnn, on Nov 11 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

Doesn't S bid 2NT with a 5-6? Then 4S should be 4-6? Not saying this particular 4-6, maybe KQJ KQJ or something.

Don't know if he will bid 2NT with all 5-6's, you could make a case for it though.

I suppose the -800 lost 9 IMPs to 420, so getting out for 500 would have saved 7 IMPs or so.

But even so, whether or not North should have bid 5♦ doesn't seem so crucial to me, because I don't like the 4♠ bid at all. If partner had a heart trick or two amongst his 4 hearts, you still go for the same 500 or 800, but 4♥ doesn't make.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 16:02

gwnn, on Nov 11 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

Doesn't S bid 2NT with a 5-6? Then 4S should be 4-6? Not saying this particular 4-6, maybe KQJ KQJ or something.

If you are always going to drive to at least 4S (which is the case with a lot of 6-5s) you should start with 2D first. If you bid 2N and they compete to 4H you can no longer show your 6th diamond, and doubling shows something more like a strong 5-5. I think this is fairly normal procedure as long as you aren't worried about 2D being passed out.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 16:08

Jlall, on Nov 10 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

4S bid is silly, perfect hand to X 4H with. North assumed south was 5-6 I guess, seems reasonable.

Sometimes partner has the worst possible hand and they make.

Yeah, you can't get much more perfect.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 17:15

4S is terrible.

I think pass is better than X, sure our diamonds are great but the hand looks like a minimum to me and they are NV.
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Posted 2009-November-13, 06:38

my style is that this kind of bidding suggest 6-4 rhater than 6-5. I normlly bid spades first with that holding.
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