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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-November-07, 05:13

Ax
KJ9x
xx
KJTxx

it goes

1♦-p-2♦- to you. fav imps.

What do you do if 2♦ is invmin? What do you do if it's standard? What do you do if they don't know what they're playing?
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Posted 2009-November-07, 05:32

Hi,

#1 2D invmin - pass
#2 2D standard - 3C
#3 2D unclear - pass

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Posted 2009-November-07, 06:30

I'd pass in all scenarios.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 06:41

Passing looks best in all cases. Bidding 3C to me is a losing position and I would not expect this hand if I was sitting opposite.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 07:48

Pass x 3.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 13:15

gwnn, on Nov 7 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

Ax
KJ9x
xx
KJTxx

it goes

1♦-p-2♦- to you. fav imps.

What do you do if 2♦ is invmin? What do you do if it's standard? What do you do if they don't know what they're playing?

The argument for 3♣ in all cases is that a)they have a fit so you rate to have one also :( you get the lead you probably want against 3NT needless to say this is not risk free but at least you have a license to steal. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-November-07, 13:19

Pass. You know p has spades. I think he would bid 2♠ even with 4-4 if I dbl. I am too weak to correct 2♠ to 3♣.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 13:38

I will always pass, but 3 doesn't apply unless I simply don't want to ask.

As a matter of fact, #3 implies that I am seeking some sort of redress in a potential failure to alert.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 14:02

3 applies sometimes when you play vs a pick-up pair and they didn't have enough time to discuss it or some very ignorant pair who don't know what their system is except possibly the opening bids.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 15:37

Always pass
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Posted 2009-November-07, 17:31

I can't believe it's right to pass over a non-forcing 2♦. If it's passed back to partner, he'll be looking at something like a 4=3=3=3 8-count, so he won't be balancing. You don't win bridge tournaments by letting the opponents play in 2♦. I'd bid 3♣ (but 2♥ at matchpoints).
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Posted 2009-November-08, 14:50

Sadly, I think you have to pass.

3♣ has some appeal but there is too little upside when they are so well placed to either double or outbid you. Its main value is as a lead director against 3NT but partner with a weak hand won't necessarily lead spades if they pass. He may/should try to hit your suit and lead hearts or even clubs.
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