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Laydown grand if you can bid it How to get there?

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2009-November-06, 06:29

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How would your bidding go?




Of 16 pairs playing it, only 4 were in slam, none in grand.

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Posted 2009-November-06, 06:50

Pass-1♠
2♥-3♣
5♣-5♦
5♠-5NT
7♣-Pass
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Posted 2009-November-06, 07:08

1♥-1♠
2♣-2♦(4SFG)
2♥-3♥
3♠(spade control 1 or 2)-3NT(serious)
4♣(two of the top three clubs)-4NT(RKCB hearts)
5NT(0/3 with void)-7♣

That's one way.

If Opener does not show the void, then the small is bid, at least.
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Posted 2009-November-06, 07:33

2♥-2NT (weak 55+ H+other ; relay)
3♦-3♥ (max H+C ; relay)
4♦-4NT (void S ; RKC C)
5♣-5♦ (1 kc ; CQ?)
5NT-7♣ (yes but no K ; good enough)

Opener showed max, so he should have ♥Q when V.
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Posted 2009-November-06, 11:04

you guys think too much

4♥-4♠ (4♠= anti cue, I don't control spades)
4NT-5♦ (or clubs)
5NT-6♦
7♥
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Posted 2009-November-06, 11:10

Yes, I think about things like how big of a number I'll go for when I open at the 4 level vulnerable in a bad 6 card suit. :)

LouisG's auction looks good to me. The other one I fear I'll have is 3♥ - 6♥ or something (only due to the vul, so maybe I should fear 3♥ - 4♥!)
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Posted 2009-November-06, 11:58

I would bid like this (East mostly relays) :
-- 1H
2C 2D Min hand no 4S
2H 3H x6x5 5-6 losers.
3S 4C 0625
4D sets clubs as trumps
-- 4S 1 Keycard
4N 5S QC + (QH OR KH+KD)

At this moment East knows -- Qyxxxx yy KQxxx. It's possible to know the ♥Jack before reaching 7♣ (and sometimes the 10♥), but here I'm always bidding 7♣ because it's practically 100%. 7♥ could suffer a Club ruff. I don't believe OTOH that North will often have a Heart Void, he may have bid 1♠. I'm not really afraid of the 2 imps loss against 7♥ because the grand might be forgotten more often than not.

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Posted 2009-November-06, 13:04

It seems pretty easy to reach this grand if you open the west hand 1♥. After all, east has a 20 point hand with lots of controls opposite an opening bid. The more difficult auction will be after west passes or opens with some preemptive call. Perhaps something like:

2♥ - 2NT(1)
3♥(2) - 4♣(3)
4NT(4) - 5♣(5)
7♥(6)

(1) Ogust
(2) A good hand, but a bad suit
(3) Cuebid for hearts; denies a spade control
(4) East must have a diamond control to slam try opposite weak two w/o ♠ control; RKC.
(5) 1/4 keycards for hearts
(6) Could ask kings... but if east has no ♦K he should have a real ♥ fit and diamonds can be pitched on the run of the clubs.
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Posted 2009-November-07, 10:13

P 2NT
3D(xfer) 3H
4C 4D (agreeing clubs)
5S* 5NT**
7C P

* Void
**Grand slam force in clubs. What more can East possibly want?
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Posted 2009-November-07, 13:23

FrancesHinden, on Nov 7 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

P 2NT
3D(xfer) 3H
4C 4D (agreeing clubs)
5S* 5NT**
7C P

* Void
**Grand slam force in clubs. What more can East possibly want?

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