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My first poll (Maybe not)

Poll: What is your poison? (49 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your poison?

  1. 4H (15 votes [30.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.61%

  2. 4D fit jump (7 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  3. 3S splinter (22 votes [44.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.90%

  4. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3D fit jump (5 votes [10.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.20%

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#1 User is offline   zheddh 

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Posted 2009-October-28, 13:59

Vul against not, IMPs, you hold this hand in 1st seat.

Auction goes p - (p) - 1♥ - (1♠) and back to you. Partner rates to have 5 hearts 95% of the times. 3rd seat can be weak but not by much.

What's your choice and why?

Scoring: IMP

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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:01

I like 3S, the diamonds are too weak to fit jump imo. I bid 3S rather than 4H because I want partner to know that I have a good hand in case they bid 4S. This runs the risk of letting LHO double to suggest a save, but I think it's worth it.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:03

3S because I am a passed hand. If partner passes out or doubles 4S I can respect that. If he makes a slam try I will cooperate once.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:06

I bid 3♠.
I don't really like 4♦, because I don't want to incite pard to bid on the 5 level with Diamond holdings like Qx, Qxx, Jxxx, etc. Imo, 3♠ will help pard more to decide what to do if they bid 4♠ (likely). He will know I have probably 5 trumps (I'm a passed hand, so bidding game with 14xx is less likely), and probably no good 5 card minor to mention.

My 2 pence.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 14:22

3♠ and I would make this call if I weren't a passed hand too. Diamonds suck for a FJ.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 15:39

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Posted 2009-October-28, 16:56

4♦, almost perfect for a fit jump. I have a very mild slam try (4 keycards and ♦stuff? Thank you very nice partner!), 5-5, interest in 5♥ over 4♠, my ♦ honour is secondary (not the ace) etc. If I'm not fit jumping because I lack the ♦J then I suggest deleting this convention from our card.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 17:47

easy 4♦. Splintering when they end up playing the hand is not very profitable
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Posted 2009-October-28, 18:46

I pick 4♦ because it's more preemptive as they could double 3♠, but it still doesn't give up on slam or perhaps a good sacrifice.
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Posted 2009-October-28, 18:46

zheddh, on Oct 28 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Auction goes p - (p) - 1♥ - (1♠) and back to you. Partner rates to have 5 hearts 95% of the times. 3rd seat can be weak but not by much.
What's your choice and why?
IMO 4♦ = 10, 3♦ = 9, 3♣ = 8, 2♦ = 7, 2♣ = 6, 3♠ = 5, 2♠ = 4, 4♥ = 3, _P = 2, 3♥ = 1.
As a passed hand, you could hardly be stronger in support of ♥. A jump in ♦ ...
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Posted 2009-October-28, 18:51

nige1, on Oct 28 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

zheddh, on Oct 28 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Auction goes p - (p) - 1♥ - (1♠) and back to you. Partner rates to have 5 hearts 95% of the times. 3rd seat can be weak but not by much.
What's your choice and why?
IMO 4♦ = 10, 3♦ = 9, 3♣ = 8, 2♦ = 7, 2♣ =6, 3♠ = 5, 2♠ = 4, 4♥ = 3, _P = 2, 3♥ = 1.

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Posted 2009-October-28, 18:57

nige, why didnt you include 1NT? isnt it more effective than _P?
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Posted 2009-October-28, 19:00

zheddh, on Oct 28 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Vul against not, IMPs, you hold this hand in 1st seat.

Auction goes p - (p) - 1♥ - (1♠) and back to you. Partner rates to have 5 hearts 95% of the times. 3rd seat can be weak but not by much.

What's your choice and why?

Scoring: IMP

3♠ because I have the Q♥ a stiff and 2 other side kings
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Posted 2009-October-28, 19:04

gwnn, on Oct 28 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

nige, why didnt you include 1NT? isnt it more effective than _P?

Possibly B) I tend evaluate only those calls that I considered making (some more stupid than others). Normally, marks below 5 are for calls I think are unlikely to be very effective but here we are so spoilt for choice that almost anything might work.

I give marks because that is the kind of feedback that I like when I present a bidding problem. Usually, I am aware that I made an inferior choice but I would like to know how bad others judge my effort.
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Posted 2009-October-30, 01:26

Thank you for your responses. This was the full hand. I think 4♦ works better on this deal because opener can then judge to bid 5 over 4♠.

I do realize that 3♠ might work out well on some other set of hands. But a question to all the 3♠ bidders is what you do with South's hand after

p - (p) - 1♥ - (1♠)
3♠ - (4♠) - ?

Scoring: IMP

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Posted 2009-October-30, 04:22

With respect, 3S is an awful bid with that heart length.
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Posted 2009-October-30, 04:24

I would bid 5H which could be making opposite a spade void or opposite x Qxxxx ATxx Kxx (hook ftw), or which could be a good save (as here). You will also often push them to 5S at this vulnerability.
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Posted 2009-October-30, 04:26

The_Hog, on Oct 30 2009, 05:22 AM, said:

With respect, 3S is an awful bid with that heart length.

How many hands with only 4 hearts could splinter opposite a 3rd seat opener? I would guess 5 trumps is more common than 4 on this auction, and hands with 4 trumps often have a spade void.
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Posted 2009-October-30, 06:09

I think 5 heart wth the south hand is the percentage play. You have all you values outside spade, so either it makes and if it does not, it can be a great safe.

Okay okay, in short: I agree with Justin.
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Posted 2009-November-04, 00:51

♦ :D 3 or 4♦ was my choice before i saw the actual hand. You want to, (1) if possible, buy the contract in sme number of ♥, and (2) if not, set the best possible stage for either you or pard to know what to do over 4♠. Pard will infer your ♠ shortness. He can't know about your 5th ♦ unless you tell him.
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