[gwnn]

JTxxx

x
AKT9xxx

1♥-p-2♥-?

all V MP's.

I've been getting a lot of these 7-5s lately. Do you think the probability might have suffered some inflation?

Whatever you do, even if you pass, it will go:

Spoiler

LHO will bid 4 or 5 hearts, whichever is cheaper. passed back to you

[effervesce]

4♣, followed by 4♠ over 4♥.

[P_Marlowe]

3C, followed by a spade bid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[dellache]

I would first bid 3♣, then if given the opportunity, bid 3/4♠ unless pard miraculously supports me in ♣.

[Fluffy]

I think the club spade plan is sound.

[Hanoi5]

3♣ and 4♠ later.

[Phil]

effervesce, on Nov 1 2009, 05:57 AM, said:

4♣, followed by 4♠ over 4♥.

I like this plan, and would make the call undiscussed.

In one partnership this is Leaping Michaels and would show a stronger hand however.

[Jlall]

What is the point of bidding 4C if you want to bid 4S next? You're just increasing the chances that 4C goes all pass. 3C then 4S seems way better since you are much less likely to get passed out in your initial bid.

[jdonn]

Yeah I see no point at all in 4♣ especially when they are so likely to just bid 4♥ over it anyway. 3♣ then 4♠ seems perfect.

[Phil]

Jlall, on Nov 1 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

What is the point of bidding 4C if you want to bid 4S next? You're just increasing the chances that 4C goes all pass. 3C then 4S seems way better since you are much less likely to get passed out in your initial bid.

I think 4♣ conveys to your partner that you have less defense.

3♣--> 4♠ could be AQxxx v x AQJxxxx for instance. (edited again: 5-6 bids 3♥ )

I would be nervous about sitting for a double of 5♥ if I started with 3♣.

4♣ is a calculated risk of course. There's no guarantee of a 4♥ call on my left but the odds feel pretty good if LHO was about to bid 3♥ over 3♣.

This post has been edited by Phil: 2009-November-01, 14:26

[Cascade]

3♣

[whereagles]

3/4♣ (depending on mood), followed by 4♠.

[effervesce]

For all the 3♣ then 4♠ bidders, if the opps bid 5♥ and partner doubles, will you sit? I suppose you'd be pretty much forced to unhappily sit partner's double, as partner will likely think you have a better hand than you have shown.

[Jlall]

lol what is this argument about 3C then 4S showing a good hand? It shows a lot of black cards. It shows a lot of defense. Whenever you show an extremely shapely hand that saves over their game after you've made a NF bid, it doesn't show any defensive tricks.

[the hog]

3C followed by 4S for me. For effervesce, a 4C leaping Michaels would show a good hand. Not playing that, you could bid 4H to show a good hand with S and a minor.

[Fluffy]

I like Phil's point, 3♣ then 4♠ can be a strong 6-4 too. But my defence isn't awful anyway.

[gwnn]

i bid 5♣, LHO bid 5♥ and partner doubled them. we got a juicy 500 when 4♥ and 5♣ were 1 down. 4♠ should actually make.

clee and foobar said 5♥ by lho was completely insane but I'm not sure - he had Ax ATxxxx AKQx Q. Well maybe it's a little insane.

[Fluffy]

how can it be insane when all you need is ♥K to have a 40% chance of making?.

[jdonn]

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

how can it be insane when all you need is ♥K to have a 40% chance of making?.

Hearts are not going to break, there was a vulnerable 5♣ overcall!

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Nov 2 2009, 09:15 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Nov 2 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

how can it be insane when all you need is ♥K to have a 40% chance of making?.

Hearts are not going to break, there was a vulnerable 5♣ overcall!

and knowing how to play the hand is worth 0%?