[plaur]

Scoring: MP

1♦-p-1♠-2NT
X*-p- ?
*No agreements, sup x is not in play

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We have no agreements after opps 2NT. Partner does not have 15-17 bal.
Whats your plan?

[maggieb]

3♣ (strong diamond raise). Partner's double suggests penalty.

Partner shouldn't have a hand that's 12-14 balanced, so he's either reasonably strong and unbalanced (if he is, his shortness is likely in spades) or 18-19 balanced. Both of these things are good, so we will probably end up getting to slam, but I would start with 3♣ just to see what happens.

[cherdanno]

Why is it a strong diamond raise? Is unusual vs unusual on here? (Just wondering.)

[Jlall]

cherdanno, on Oct 29 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

Why is it a strong diamond raise? Is unusual vs unusual on here? (Just wondering.)

Logically it makes sense for it to be on imo. Never seen this situation come up though.

[jdonn]

That makes sense, 3♣, then over 3♦ I can bid 3♥, then maybe over 3NT the right bid is 4♠ but since we are surely in uncharted waters I'll bid 4♦ to make sure we both know what the heck is going on.

[pooltuna]

plaur, on Oct 29 2009, 06:14 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♦-p-1♠-2NT
X*-p- ?
*No agreements, sup x is not in play

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We have no agreements after opps 2NT. Partner does not have 15-17 bal.
Whats your plan?

my plan is to pass here and see if partner has a penalty X of their runout suit.

[Phil]

A first glance I thought stopper showing takes priority but I like the u/u idea. If 3N is in play, why arent we stopping off to x?

[mich-b]

plaur, on Oct 29 2009, 06:14 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♦-p-1♠-2NT
X*-p- ?
*No agreements, sup x is not in play

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We have no agreements after opps 2NT. Partner does not have 15-17 bal.
Whats your plan?

3♥ now , support ♦ later strongly. This should show good hand for ♦ with ♥ control.

I would be happier about my choice if this was IMPs. In MP 5♦ might be worse than 3NT, but I think there is enough chance of a making slam, or of 3NT being bad , that I will risk supporting ♦ on the 4 level.

[Codo]

I would bid 3 ♣ as a strong Diamond raise too.

But as this is the B/I section where unusual vs. unusual is unusual, I would try to raise partner directly. As my hand is too strong for 3 ♦, I would try 4♦.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, lets see and wait.

The X should show a real opener, and we will beat 2NT,
so they started to run, lets see, where they run to and,
if p has something to say about their resting place.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[plaur]

Unusual vs unusual was not an option. 3♣ would have been understood as natural.
Anyway I bid a silly 3NT and claimed rest on the lead for 520. P had a sharp 19 and the 2NT bidder had
JTx
KT98x
J
Jxxx
3♥ X - 4 would have scored just as poorly as 3NT