[SriNT]

Uncontested auction:

1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D?

1NT=15-7

2H=Jacoby Transfer

What does 3D mean?

[Lobowolf]

Cuebid

[cherdanno]

Values, worry about a spade stopper when partner doesn't have help there.

[RMB1]

Uncertainty about strain: ♦ values, doubt about ♥, not ♠ support.

Robin

[jdonn]

Could be natural, especially with weak hearts. Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx for example.

[SriNT]

ok, and how about 3H, same? something like AQ KQTx 9xxx AJx is possible?

[Jlall]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

ok, and how about 3H, same? something like AQ KQTx 9xxx AJx is possible?

Yes. 3H could be a hand with 5 hearts, or a positive hand for clubs with heart values and not diamond values, or 2443 with no diamond stopper.

[SriNT]

So you would bid 3H with Ax KJ9xx AJx Qx?

[SriNT]

sorry Ax KJ9xx AJx Qxx

[RMB1]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

So you would bid 3H with Ax KJ9xx AJx Qxx?

No. I would be afraid that we will go past 3NT when partner has not got diamonds.

[SriNT]

Maybe i misread jlall's comma. So he probably meant "(a hand with 5 hearts or a positive hand for clubs with heart values) AND no diamond values

[Jlall]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

Maybe i misread jlall's comma. So he probably meant "(a hand with 5 hearts or a positive hand for clubs with heart values) AND no diamond values

You didn't misread. I would bid 3H when I had 5 hearts unless I had diamonds very solidly stopped like AQJ or I had very weak hearts (in which case I'd probably have good diamonds anyways).

Partner can bid 3S over 3H which I don't think shows 6-4 necessarily and just shows a punt at that point with no diamond stop and no heart fit. If partner was 5215 he would probably go past 3N but that is good anyways if our diamonds are just AJx. And I really don't want to get to 3N opposite 5314 or 5305.

[SriNT]

Seems to be a tradeoff between finding the best game vs finding a slam. When you use 3D/3H as a cuebid, much easier to find a c slam, when you use it as stopper showing or length showing (i.e 5 in a major), much harder to find the slam, but possibly find the better game when you don't have stoppers in a suit.

for e.g xx AKxx Axx AQxx vs AKxxxx x xx KJxx, 7C would be almost impossible to reach, even 6C maybe tough.

[Jlall]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

Seems to be a tradeoff between finding the best game vs finding a slam. When you use 3D/3H as a cuebid, much easier to find a c slam, when you use it as stopper showing or length showing (i.e 5 in a major), much harder to find the slam, but possibly find the better game when you don't have stoppers in a suit.

for e.g xx AKxx Axx AQxx vs AKxxxx x xx KJxx, 7C would be almost impossible to reach, even 6C maybe tough.

It would be easy to find 6C opposite this hand. 7C would be tough but it is not a good 7!

[kenrexford]

It depends, I guess, on agreements.

FWIW, mine:

If Responder's minor is clubs, three of the other major by Opener is natural with five, whereas 3♦ agrees clubs below 3NT.

If Responder's minor is diamonds, three of the other major agrees diamonds below 3NT.

[nigel_k]

I don't normally open 1NT with a five card major and would play that anything except 3♠ or 3NT shows club support. If opener does want to bid a major naturally, something like Ken's agreement sounds good.

This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx, with a heart problem but without primary support for either of responder' suits. This will gain on the hands where responder has enough in spades or clubs to make game there when hearts aren't stopped but will lose when you have Ax Jxx AQJx Kxxx and responder needs to know about the fourth club to play a club game (or slam) and otherwise signs off in 3NT (eg Kxxxx Ax Kx Axxx).

[pooltuna]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Uncontested auction:

1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D?

1NT=15-7

2H=Jacoby Transfer

What does 3D mean?

well I think it should be a qbid in support of ♣. why not ♠? To differentiate between slam bidding I play the 1NT caller has to show support with 3♠ before qbidding starts.

[jdonn]

nigel_k, on Oct 27 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx

That's it. I'm getting name tags.

[mike777]

SriNT, on Oct 27 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Uncontested auction:

1NT-2H-2S-3C-3D?

1NT=15-7

2H=Jacoby Transfer

What does 3D mean?

cuebid, agree clubs.

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Oct 27 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

nigel_k, on Oct 27 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

This alternative is Justin's suggestion, that you could bid 3♦ on Ax Jxx AQJxx Kxx

That's it. I'm getting name tags.

Why John? Everyone should know your poetry particularly "For Whom the Bell Tolls"