[precpj]

how good is this convention when 5M is almost the default?

also if Flannery is in place, is it required to have 5C spade to bid 1S over 1H open ?

Personally, i would rather have 2D as multi to go with any 5M biddidng and also pick up 20-21 with multi so Mudenburg (?) and Unusual 2NT open can be all set for 2 suits preempt .... it is sad that Multi is still NOT allowed in day to day face to face ACBL club games ; tho i can see how "difficult" old timers have to get good at the defense

Precpj

[ArtK78]

I have never liked Flannery, but there are some very prominent players who like it very much.

When I played Flannery, I did not require 5 spades to respond 1♠ to 1♥, but many who play Flannery do not bid 1♠ holding only 4 spades.

[peachy]

precpj, on Oct 23 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

it is sad that Multi is still NOT allowed in day to day face to face ACBL club games ; tho i can see how "difficult"  old timers have to get good at  the defense

Let me clarify the ACBL regulation on Multi.
Not only is Multi disallowed in GCC, it is disallowed in ACBL at ALL level events where the round length is less than 6 boards. In practice this means all pairs events, including Blue Ribbon.

Personally, I have a major problem understanding why this is so my correspondence to inquire the reasons from the appropriate ACBL body was completely futile, like talking to a brick wall. "It is what it is"

PS. Maybe I should have started a new thread, but why... it has been lamented about enough already before

[hrothgar]

peachy, on Oct 23 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Let me clarify the ACBL regulation on Multi.
Not only is Multi disallowed in GCC, it is disallowed in ACBL at ALL level events where the round length is less than 6 boards. In practice this means all pairs events, including Blue Ribbon.

Personally, I have a major problem understanding why this is

Its important that you fully understand two points:

1. American's know more about virtually everything than anyone else in the world. Regardless of what anyone else in the world might do or say, the American way is the right way. (This applies equally to regulating conventions and waterboarding anyone we feel like)

2. American's are much dumber than most anyone else in the world. We don't care that geriatic Kiwi pensioners are perfectly capable of handling RCO Twos. Our elite players can't be expected to divise an adequate defense to a multi 2♦ opening.

(On a more serious note, I think that the North American convention regulations are primarily designed to suppress high variance methods. The folks who write the regulations want to eliminate variance in the bidding and reduce the game to a pure exercise of declarer play / defense. Placing strict limits on the type of methods that can be employeed is the easiest way to accomplish this)

[barryallen]

I would be interested from those that use Flannery, what definition you put to the 1♠ reply over 1♥, especially those which represent more than one meaning.

thanks

[pooltuna]

barryallen, on Oct 24 2009, 04:54 AM, said:

I would be interested from those that use Flannery, what definition you put to the 1♠ reply over 1♥, especially those which represent more than one meaning.

thanks

Having the 1♠ call promise 5 helps in all auctions where you hold 35xy or 36xy and supporting ♠ is systemically difficult. i.e.

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The price for this is difficulty handling the 46xy hands that can't reverse

[kenberg]

A collection of thoughts.


I live in the Washington DC area, if you draw the radius large enough.

Steve Robinson includes Flannery in Washington Standard.


I have used flannery in the past. A new partner I have played with twice likes it and i play it with him.


I prefer (just old fashioned maybe) the weak 2D.

When playing Flannery, I prefer that 1H-1S NOT promise five. That is not quite the same as saying that 1H-1NT denies four spades. 1H-1S-2S can easily be on three, and so 1H-1S means that you are fine with being raised on three. That's my preference, although this guy I just met doesn't like to raise on three so we probably have to discuss this if we keep playing together.

Playing flannery, you (usually) avoid the problem of having the auction go 1H-1N(forcing) and you are 2-2 in the minors. If you hold four spades and the right count, you have opened it 2D.

As to one of the points mentioned above, I am pretty sure that I have encountered the multi 2D when playing in a 2 board per round pairs game at the unit game of the Washington Bridge League. I hope I am not being a tattle tale. I have no objection whatsoever to my opponents using this convention. People get very emotional about flannery, and for different reasons about the multi. I prefer weak, to each his own.

[Sadie3]

I have never required 5S to respond 1S to a 1H opener when playing flannery because I think it is important to show the spade suit in case NT is in the future for this hand. I will specifically try to show a 4 card spade suit especially when I am holding 2 or less hearts.

[straube]

If you play Flannery, consider playing also Kaplan Inversion.

1H-1S=forcing
1H-1N=5 spades

This allows opener more meaningful rebids than would be true for the reverse.

I think when a person criticizes his own people to others, it's usually to make himself look better.

[barryallen]

This may have more holes in it than a hobo's socks, but I believe it may have some merit in looking for a minor fit / slam possibilities before going beyond 3NT? and have the capability to include weak hands so not to distort the system?

1♥ - 1♠ asks opener to rebid the following when unable to give a response higher than 2♥ in standard 2/1 over a FNT response.

- 1NT, may or may not have a 4 card minor, denies 3♠, weak
- 2♠, 3 card spade suit, may have 4 card minor, weak
- 2♥, 6 card ♥ suit, may have 4 card minor, denies 3 ♠

A simple raise over the 2♠, 2♥ bids would be invitational based upon an 8 card fit, any other bid forcing as you wish.

Any bid over the 1NT response would be forcing with the exception of 2♠ or 2♥, which should be converted to 2♠ if holding 2 cards in the suit. Any minor suit response over 1NT is 4 card and forcing.