What does this show?q 2/1
#1
Posted 2009-October-18, 14:04
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#2
Posted 2009-October-18, 14:52
#4
Posted 2009-October-18, 15:14
Never mind - the 9 card suit thing isn't in the "weak/strong" section.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#5
Posted 2009-October-18, 15:23
It will be alertable when it is allowed.
#6
Posted 2009-October-18, 15:33
The opponent who held my cards opened 2♣ in second seat and rebid 4♠. My teammates misdefended because they expected more high card strength in the side suits for a 2♣ opening (a point with which I agree). The TD ruled no MI and no psych, on the grounds that if the player believes his hand is "strong" then it is strong, pretty much regardless how many HCP it has. Rick Beye, in correspondence later, agreed with this ruling.
Max Hardy suggests this hand:
I guess what I really want to know is "where's the dividing line between a (4 level?) preempt and a strong 2♣ opening?" And also "where does 1♠-whatever-4♠ (uncontested) fit in?"
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#7
Posted 2009-October-18, 15:40
blackshoe, on Oct 18 2009, 03:04 PM, said:
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It has to be different from
2♣-(P)-2♦-(P)
3♥/♠
I would think something like
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
#8
Posted 2009-October-18, 16:55
#9
Posted 2009-October-18, 17:07
#10
Posted 2009-October-18, 18:30
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#12
Posted 2009-October-18, 18:34
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#13
Posted 2009-October-18, 18:53
mike777, on Oct 18 2009, 07:33 PM, said:
huh? there is nothing trivial, IMHO about a deliberate psyche of a strong artificial bid contrary to the the rules. When the trick-taking power is such that at least game is virtually assured, "psyche" is assumed not to be the intent. When the trick-taking power is not present, "psyche" should be assumed.
#14
Posted 2009-October-19, 07:41
Part of the problem may have been that the player concerned had previous experience which indicated that his bid would be ruled "not a psych" and/or "okay". If so, he can hardly be faulted for making it. OTOH, it's probably more likely that either he just didn't know what he was doing, or that he'd read Hardy or some similar book which suggested bidding this way with this kind of hand.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#15
Posted 2009-October-19, 08:39
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#16
Posted 2009-October-19, 08:46
As was stated in the original post, the ruling was that if the player who made the bid believed that he held a "strong" hand then the 2♣ bid was not a psyche. You and I may disagree with the 2♣ opening on 8 solid and out, but that doesn't make it a psyche.
To me, 2♣ followed by 4 of a major should show a power hand (not a preemptive hand) consisting of an inflexible one suiter with about 9 1/2 to 10 playing tricks. Partner should expect that two aces would put us in the slam range, and anything more should virtually insure a slam.
#17
Posted 2009-October-19, 12:05
Harald
#18
Posted 2009-October-19, 22:35
allowed are "Two Clubs Artificial Opening Bid indicating one of: a) a strong hand b) a three-suiter with a minimum of 10 HCP"
allowed are "Artificial and or Conventional Calls after strong (15+ HCP), forcing opening bids and openings of 2 or higher..."
This implies to me that the definition of strong is 15+ HCP.
One might argue that opening 2C with 13 isn't a psyche because it's within 2 points of the expected holding. I think then the crux of the argument is whether the opponents are using artificial responses to their 2C (possibly not counting a 2D response). If they are, then it seems like the opponents are entitled to banking on opener having 15. If they aren't, then perhaps not.
Anyway, I know the ACBL hasn't ruled this way, but I think they should think about it. Perhaps they could relax it to 13.
I remember I once had a hand that was something like AK AKxxxxxx xx x and opened that 2C. The opponents were miffed, but I thought I had my bid at the time and the director ruled that it wasn't a psyche.
#19
Posted 2009-October-20, 00:07
It would be easy for ACBL to write in the regulation '"strong", where used in this regulation, means 15+ HCP', but they haven't.
I note that the current convention chart document on the ACBL web site was revised in July of last year. I have seen a comment somewhere from someone in the ACBL that the convention regs would be revised to clarify "strong", but I think it was after that date.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean