[bali 2]

" When a defender leads to the next trick.........the card so led .....
declarer may :
- require....of the suit led
-require.....of the suit led "

I know that this applies to the current trick in play, uncompleted, but I find that it is not so clearly expressed, and some directors told me they have been confused, not exactly knowing il these words apply to the trick in play or to the trick led prematurely.

David will surely tell me that this is not the place to discuss these questions, but to whom , or where, could we have a competent reply ?

Thanks in advance
Al. Ohana

[bali 2]

I tried to have only the words "lead" and "led " in thick, but obviously not succeded...

[pran]

bali 2, on Oct 19 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

" When a defender leads to the next trick.........the card so led .....
declarer may :
- require....of the suit led
-require.....of the suit led  "

I know that this applies to the current trick in play, uncompleted, but I find that it is not so clearly expressed, and some directors told me they have been confused, not exactly knowing il these words apply to the trick in play or to the trick led prematurely.

David will surely tell me that this is not the place to discuss these questions, but to whom , or where, could we have a competent reply ? 

Thanks in advance   
Al. Ohana

Law 57A deals with situations where one defender plays in advance of his partner when it is the latter who should play first in rotation. (Quotation from EBL Commentary on the Laws of Duplicate Contract Bridge by Grattan Endicott and Bent Keith Hansen.)

Declarer's choice between the three options listed in L57A applies when offender's partner shall play the card he has not yet played to the current trick.

The card prematurely played by the offender becomes a major penalty card (regardless of which of the options above declarer selects).

I hope I have been able to clarify that law?

regards Sven

[Vampyr]

bali 2, on Oct 19 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

I know that this applies to the current trick in play, uncompleted, but I find that it is not so clearly expressed, and some directors told me they have been confused, not exactly knowing if these words apply to the trick in play or to the trick led prematurely.

Perhaps the way to think about it is that it is the "other" defender's turn to play to the trick in progress; this trick must be completed before the next one is begun. Also, it might not even be the premature leader's turn to play once the current trick is completed, so the major penalty card is not necessarily a led card (and indeed a card "led or played" is referred to, so the card is not assumed to be a lead). Therefore the words "of the suit led" cannot refer to that future trick; this trick is not assumed to have begun. (Remember also that in the leading paragraph of the section the premature lead is referred to as the card so led, so I think that a distinction can be made here as well.)

It could certainly be written more clearly, especially for translation purposes.

[bluejak]

Except that where it is just interpreting a Law "Simple Rulings" might be slightly more suitable - so I have moved this there - these forums are definitely the correct place to ask such questions. And do not worry about placing it in the wrong one of the four forums: Ed or I will just move it to what we believe is the correct forum.