[gwnn]

KQJx
Jx
T98xxxx
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p-(2♣ precision)-? all vul imps

AQxxx
Qxx
x
KQxx

1♥-p-1♠-3♦
3NT-p-? nobody vul imps

[Jlall]

If I played weak jump overcalls I would bid 3D on the first one, but usually don't play that. If partner has a diamond fit our hand has huge potential, and it's nice to mess them up a bit.

On the second one I would bid 4D hoping to bid keycard over a 4M response from partner and get to 7 sensibly if possible or stay out of 6.

[Codo]

1. Pass even if I had a weak bid in diamonds avaiable.
But I had liked to have the ... to bid 3 diamond.

2. 4 ♦ followed by 4 NT

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Oct 7 2009, 03:51 AM, said:

If I played weak jump overcalls I would bid 3D on the first one, but usually don't play that. If partner has a diamond fit our hand has huge potential, and it's nice to mess them up a bit.

On the second one I would bid 4D hoping to bid keycard over a 4M response from partner and get to 7 sensibly if possible or stay out of 6.

I also don't play weak jump overcalls over a Precision 2♣, but I'm not sure that it's best. If it's correct to play
  (1♥) [Precision] 3♦
as preemptive, surely it's right to play
  (2♣) [Precision] 3♦
as preemptive too? In the 2♣ auction there is more doubt about major-suit fits, so the benefits of preempting should be greater.

[Jlall]

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 04:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 7 2009, 03:51 AM, said:

If I played weak jump overcalls I would bid 3D on the first one, but usually don't play that. If partner has a diamond fit our hand has huge potential, and it's nice to mess them up a bit.

On the second one I would bid 4D hoping to bid keycard over a 4M response from partner and get to 7 sensibly if possible or stay out of 6.

I also don't play weak jump overcalls over a Precision 2♣, but I'm not sure that it's best. If it's correct to play
  (1♥) [Precision] 3♦
as preemptive, surely it's right to play
  (2♣) [Precision] 3♦
as preemptive too? In the 2♣ auction there is more doubt about major-suit fits, so the benefits of preempting should be greater.

I agree with this, I also don't play WJO after 1H ? if vul. It seems weird to play differently over 1H and a precision 2C though.

[gnasher]

On the second one, does 4♦ agree hearts, or is it initially choice-of-games?

[gwnn]

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

On the second one, does 4♦ agree hearts, or is it initially choice-of-games?

This was mostly what I was thinking about. I didn't know what it was so I tried the dubious 5♥ bid, which since undiscussed I knew partner would take as just natural slam try, partner passed and we were off two aces but had enough trumps so made.

The second one I bid 4♦ which kept them out of slam, but I wouldn't do it again. I wondered if anyone else would try it, I guess I'm alone.