[MattieShoe]

Scoring: IMP

(1♣) 1♠ (P) ?

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This was actually partner's hand -- I was the one that bid 1♠. I was looking at his hand after the fact and trying to figure out what exactly he should bid with this. Do you just jump straight to 3NT?

[Codo]

You are miles away from 3 NT.

You have no sure source of tricks, it is very possible that you have 4 clubs behind your length and that spades are breaking 4-2.

Actually, I would downgrade to 1 NT.

After a 1 Diamond opening at my left, I had upgraded, but now- no way.

[Bende]

I would bid 1NT. If 2NT would be natural (I play it as spade support) then I might bid that.

[P_Marlowe]

Why should I ever want to jump to 3NT?
It certainly depends on your overcall style, but since for most
a reasonable 5 card spade suit with 6/7HCP would be a enough
to make a 1S overcall, 3NT seems a little bit premature.

For me, the option is either 1NT (underbid), 2NT (right on values)
or 2C (unasuming cue bid, should promise fit if min for the call,
I am min for the call, ... and I have fit, sort of).

I would go with 2C, but the other 2 calls are sensible choices as well.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MattieShoe]

Hmm okay. Partner indeed bid 1NT, which I passed out. Maybe I am just paying too much attention to results -- It made 5NT, though it should have only made 3.

Scoring: IMP

(1♣) 1♠ (P) 1NT
(P) P (P)

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When I looked at the other 15 results, many of them reached 3NT, but almost all were with first hand passing so bidding went 1♠-2♣-2NT-3NT. The other thing I noticed on second glance was the reason I lost so many IMPs on that hand is somebody went down 6 redoubled and skewed everybody else. :-)

[Jlall]

Meckstroth always bids 2N with hands like this but I would indeed bid 1N. The decision is definitely between 1N and 2N, and it depends some on your vul 1S overcall style. If you are sound I think 2N is fine.

[jdonn]

I would have bid 1NT, and not invited over that with the north hand although it's almost good enough.

[MattieShoe]

Jlall, on Oct 10 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

Meckstroth always bids 2N with hands like this but I would indeed bid 1N. The decision is definitely between 1N and 2N, and it depends some on your vul 1S overcall style. If you are sound I think 2N is fine.

2NT wouldn't be interpreted as Jacoby 2NT?

[hrothgar]

MattieShoe, on Oct 10 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 10 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

Meckstroth always bids 2N with hands like this but I would indeed bid 1N. The decision is definitely between 1N and 2N, and it depends some on your vul 1S overcall style. If you are sound I think 2N is fine.

2NT wouldn't be interpreted as Jacoby 2NT?

There are definitely response schemes that use 2NT as a conventional raise of a 1♠; however, this is not a universal treatment and isn't referred to as Jacoby 2NT.

[pooltuna]

MattieShoe, on Oct 10 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 10 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

Meckstroth always bids 2N with hands like this but I would indeed bid 1N. The decision is definitely between 1N and 2N, and it depends some on your vul 1S overcall style. If you are sound I think 2N is fine.

2NT wouldn't be interpreted as Jacoby 2NT?

Generally your overcall response structure is too wide. It is more useful in that context when the opps overcall your major

[neilkaz]

MattieShoe, on Oct 10 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 10 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

Meckstroth always bids 2N with hands like this but I would indeed bid 1N. The decision is definitely between 1N and 2N, and it depends some on your vul 1S overcall style. If you are sound I think 2N is fine.

2NT wouldn't be interpreted as Jacoby 2NT?

J2NT is used after a major suit opening but not after an overcall.

On the given hand I am torn between 1NT or 2NT. If the overcalling style is reasonably sound, then I'd try 2NT. But if it is more freewheeling then just 1NT.

I also pass 1NT with the overcallers hand as I'd need just a bit more to invite.

It's unfortunate but we've all missed 24 pt 3NT's before. I wouldn't worry to much about missing this one and unless I am missing something I don't think it is 100% cold. I'd like to be in 3NT but won't fret.

[MattieShoe]

I didn't realize J2NT couldn't be used on an overcall of a major. I guess it makes sense, just never thought about it.

With perfect play (like double dummy), it makes 3NT cold. :-)

[nigel_k]

MattieShoe, on Oct 11 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

I didn't realize J2NT couldn't be used on an overcall of a major. I guess it makes sense, just never thought about it.

With perfect play (like double dummy), it makes 3NT cold. :-)

You can cue bid 2♣ with a good hand and support for partner's suit. Plus if you have a balanced invitational hand after the overcall, 1NT or a new suit is not forcing so they are not good choices. Those two factors mean it's a different situation and it is more useful for 2NT to be natural in response to an overcall.