[dickiegera]

Scoring: MP

Should N open this hand 3rd seat? If so what is his rebid after a 1♠ bid by S?
Our bidding lead to a disaster.

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 2♦
2♠ 3♠

2♦ was 4th suit forcing. Result was -200
Thank you

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[pooltuna]

dickiegera, on Oct 4 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

Should N open this hand 3rd seat? If so what is his rebid after a 1♠ bid by S?
Our bidding lead to a disaster.

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 2♦
2♠ 3♠

2♦ was 4th suit forcing. Result was -200
Thank you

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Hey you will get posters on here that think South should open in 1st seat and since he didn't North should pass or bid 2♥ (oops didn't look at the colors but assuming no unfav)

[655321]

1♥ was normal, as was 2♣. A slightly odd rebid of 1NT instead of 2♣ was possible, but 2♣ is better IMO.

Don't understand 2♦, having passed the South hand (I would have opened 1♠) 2NT looks like the normal bid.

pooltuna, on Oct 4 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

Hey you will get posters on here that think South should open in 1st seat and since he didn't North should pass or bid 2♥ (oops didn't look at the colors but assuming no unfav)

This is just a lot of nonsense isn't it?

[aguahombre]

If I had perpetrated 1S in first seat, we would end in 2NT, and I don't know whether, on this layout that would be a better result. I know my partner would have opened 1S, but she never gets older. I get more conservative in my old age.

1S-1NT
2D-2NT(If opener is accepting game, will bid 3H enroute with 3.)
P

In third seat, pass (Pearson) seems silly, but maybe is right. 2H is perhaps resulting but certainly reasonable. 1H has a rebid, but led to an ugly situation that I don't know how to get out of. So bashing a 1H opening is resulting, too. After arguing with myself (again), I guess I like the 1S opening better.

[andy_h]

Agree with 655321. 1♥ opening is standout in any seat.

[pooltuna]

655321, on Oct 4 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

1♥ was normal, as was 2♣. A slightly odd rebid of 1NT instead of 2♣ was possible, but 2♣ is better IMO.

Don't understand 2♦, having passed the South hand (I would have opened 1♠) 2NT looks like the normal bid.

pooltuna, on Oct 4 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

Hey you will get posters on here that think South should open in 1st seat and since he didn't North should pass or bid 2♥ (oops didn't look at the colors but assuming no unfav)

This is just a lot of nonsense isn't it?

Hardly, the best player I ever played with insisted in 1st and 2nd seat we open ANY 11 point hand. Of course this required a great deal of discipline by both players but I found it to be a playable method. I never opened in 3rd seat unless I had expectations of a positive result.

[woefuwabit]

If you open light in third seat, you'll have to convince partner not to invite to game. Easiest way to do that is to pass the 1♠

[aguahombre]

woefuwabit, on Oct 4 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

If you open light in third seat, you'll have to convince partner not to invite to game. Easiest way to do that is to pass the 1♠

That will convince partner of something, all right.

[matmat]

aguahombre, on Oct 4 2009, 03:12 PM, said:

woefuwabit, on Oct 4 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

If you open light in third seat, you'll have to convince partner not to invite to game. Easiest way to do that is to pass the 1♠

That will convince partner of something, all right.

pretty sure 1♠ isn't forcing there...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Most would open this hand in 1st / 2ns seat, so sure this is a 1H opening.
Compare the North hand with the South hand, you should open the
South hand in 3rd, but it is depatable, if you should open in 1st / 2nd seat.
After 1S, the 2C rebid is also clear cut.

2D is ok, since you are a passed hand, 2D should even be ok for players
from N/A.
2S on the other hand is ???, sry, but unless you always raise with 3 card
support, 2S should promise 3 card support, make the default rebid - 2H.
Responder will pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

I'd have opened both hands and would have got to 2NT anyway. But pass from S is certainly possible in fact I think I'd pass if my long suit weren't spades.

[ONEferBRID]

I agree with the rabbit -- to pass partner's 1♠ since he is a passed hand.

[mike777]

dickiegera, on Oct 4 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

Should N open this hand 3rd seat?  If so what is his rebid after a 1♠ bid by S?
Our bidding lead to a disaster.

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 2♦
2♠ 3♠

2♦ was 4th suit forcing. Result was -200
Thank you 

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1s=1nt
2d=2nt.....live with it.

OTOH if you are going to play a style where you pass with south hand then......just pass 2s. 2d rebid told partner your story.

[aguahombre]

well I guess we know who plays flannery. those who don't might doubt the brilliance of playing the 4-2 spade fit, losing the race to nt, or just plain keeping the auction open in case partner is expecting his 1/1 to allow him another bid. This was a reply to those who would pass after p p 1H p 1s p. then Mike777 came in with a definite "yep".

[neilkaz]

woefuwabit, on Oct 4 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

If you open light in third seat, you'll have to convince partner not to invite to game. Easiest way to do that is to pass the 1♠

Passing 1♠ and potentially leaving pard in a 42 fit is extremely bad, IMHO.

The only bad bid on the this hand was the 2♠ response to 4SF with two card support.

.. neilkaz ..

[mike777]

neilkaz, on Oct 4 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

woefuwabit, on Oct 4 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

If you open light in third seat, you'll have to convince partner not to invite to game. Easiest way to do that is to pass the 1♠

Passing 1♠ and potentially leaving pard in a 42 fit is extremely bad, IMHO.

The only bad bid on the this hand was the 2♠ response to 4SF with two card support.

.. neilkaz ..

I agree passing 1s is bad.


I strongly disagree, I think this auction denies 3s very very often and given third seat shows a mini hand with 2s very very often.

[655321]

neilkaz, on Oct 4 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

Passing 1♠ and potentially leaving pard in a 42 fit is extremely bad, IMHO.

Yes, agree with this.

neilkaz, on Oct 4 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

The only bad bid on the this hand was the 2♠ response to 4SF with two card support.

Disagree, I think 2♠ is the right bid.

[lowerline]

1♥ in all seats and vulnerabilities.

I don't agree with 2♠. When nothing more to say after 4SF, make the cheapest lie: 2♥ (the hearts are decent). Sequences given by other posters seem reasonable as well. The bidding should end in 2NT (without a fit and with a combined 22hcp).

Steven

[woefuwabit]

Personally, I don't see a problem with playing a 4-2 fit at the 1 level. It should be a fairly comfortable spot compared to the potential 2NT or 3M with 21 points, assuming your opponents even allow you to play there. Not a good place for weak declarers to be in though.

[Codo]

So some open light to find a 4-2 fit at the one-level? Amazing stuff.

I belong to the school that 2 Spade shows 3 spades or at least Hx if this is the smallest lie. I had bid 2 HEart and passed 2 NT. No problem at all.