[shanbari]

general 2/1 system,

1s - 2c
2d - 3d
?

what opener option here,
1) 3H.
2) 3S,

now change the auction a little bit.
1S - 2C
2D - 2H

what is 2H here?

- Shan

[awm]

On the first auction 1♠-2♣-2♦-3♦:

3♥ is asking if partner can bid 3NT (normally looking for help in hearts).
3♠ is natural with a 6-4 hand.

On the second auction 1♠-2♣-2♦-2♥:

I play 2♥ as showing a hand with no clear direction (usually 2335 with weak hearts) but apparently I am in a small minority and the more popular treatment is that 2♥ is natural.

[Phil]

1a. 3♥ is either patterning with an anti-positional stop or fragment, or an advanced cue for diamonds, but that hand doesn't pass 3N. Opener has not denied 4♥ yet, but many of these hands just bid 3N since responder has denied 4♥.

1b. 3♠ simply shows a 6-4 and is still hunting for the best game.

2. Depends on your agreements. I prefer 2♠ to be real, so 2♥ does not guarantee hearts here but you will usually have them. You need to be able to find a bid with a 2335 without a heart stop. Frankly, if you want to play 2♠ to show this hand, thats fine too.

[gnasher]

Phil, on Sep 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

1a. 3♥ is either patterning with an anti-positional stop or fragment, or an advanced cue for diamonds
...
1b. 3♠ simply shows a 6-4 and is still hunting for the best game.

Playing this style, what does opener do with a 5242 shape and no heart stop? eg AQxxx xx K10xx Ax

[mike777]

gnasher, on Sep 25 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

1a. 3♥ is either patterning with an anti-positional stop or fragment, or an advanced cue for diamonds
...
1b. 3♠ simply shows a 6-4 and is still hunting for the best game.

Playing this style, what does opener do with a 5242 shape and no heart stop? eg AQxxx xx K10xx Ax

Playing this style this looks looks like an easy 4c cuebid. I like my hand.

If you do not like this hand then I would simply try 3h here.

[mike777]

awm, on Sep 25 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

On the first auction 1♠-2♣-2♦-3♦:

3♥ is asking if partner can bid 3NT (normally looking for help in hearts).
3♠ is natural with a 6-4 hand.

On the second auction 1♠-2♣-2♦-2♥:

I play 2♥ as showing a hand with no clear direction (usually 2335 with weak hearts) but apparently...

ditto may or may not have real h.

Just live with the fact 4sf auctions are expected to be difficult.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

In your first seq., for most Europeans 3H would be
FSF, 3S would be 6-4.

Most players from NA would treat 3H as natural in the
context of the bidding, i.e values, could be a 3 carder.

In the 2nd seq. it is quite common to play 2H as FSF,
but if 2C was 100% game force, you will find several
NA players, who would play 2H as natural, claiming,
that you dont need FSF, since 2C already did create
a GF situation.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I am living in Germany, so that should answer an
eventually question, what my answers would be.

[gnasher]

mike777, on Sep 25 2009, 09:07 PM, said:

gnasher, on Sep 25 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

1a. 3♥ is either patterning with an anti-positional stop or fragment, or an advanced cue for diamonds
...
1b. 3♠ simply shows a 6-4 and is still hunting for the best game.

Playing this style, what does opener do with a 5242 shape and no heart stop? eg AQxxx xx K10xx Ax

Playing this style this looks looks like an easy 4c cuebid. I like my hand.

If you do not like this hand then I would simply try 3h here.

If you are allowed to bid 3♥ on two low, then you're not playing the methods suggested by Phil, where 3♥ is "either patterning with an anti-positional stop or fragment, or an advanced cue for diamonds."

[shanbari]

thanks for the comments.

i was holding

S: X
H: AKQJ
D: AXXX
C: QXXX

partner opened 1S, i decide to use second sequence in the post, use 2H fsf then support D, my intension to show my heart value and diamond support.
1s - 2c
2d - 2h
2s - 3d

my partner wasn't sure of this 2h is showing value or just asking H stoppers.

[mike777]

shanbari, on Sep 30 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

thanks for the comments.

i was holding

S: X
H: AKQJ
D: AXXX
C: QXXX

partner opened 1S, i decide to use second sequence in the post, use 2H fsf then support D,  my intension to show my heart value and diamond support.
1s - 2c
2d - 2h
2s - 3d

my partner wasn't sure of this 2h is showing value or just asking H stoppers.

I also would not be sure if pard had promised hearts here but in any case, 3d showed D and some slam interest at the very least. I would think pard has, clubs and diamonds, not spades and some slam interest.

[peachy]

1) Looking for heart stopper for NT
2) Natural or at least 3-card fragment, no clear alternative bid, searching for more info