[Jlall]

jdonn, on Sep 25 2009, 03:00 AM, said:

Pass that hand in 4th seat? uhhhhh......

PASS VS JLALL BECAUSE HE WILL OWN YOUR SOUL?!

[Codo]

The_Hog, on Sep 24 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

Codo, on Sep 24 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

I would try 2 ♠. I am a passed hand, so partner will play me for 5 hearts, 4 spades and a maximum pass, seems a good describtion of my hand.

As partner does not have 4S, and probably not 3H I don't really know what this 2S bid is meant to achieve.
I would pass. The stiff D does not fill me with enthusiasm.

Now we know partners real hand which is a minimum weak two in 4. seat, so not relevant for the bidding as it was shown here.

If we trust his bidding, he must have a reason not to open 2 Diamond. Maybe he has length in one or both majors, maybe he has extra strength. Passing is wrong opposite both hands.

He may look at a 3262 with weak spades in which case a major plays better then NT.
He may have 3 hearts and Hearts play much better then NT or Diamond.

He may have sufficent values in clubs to bid NT himself.

[effervesce]

I think you should have opened this nice hand (especially at MPs) 1♥. But anyway, back to the topic - 2NT since pard didn't open 2♦.

I think I read somewhere else that the Pearson point count/Casino count in practice has almost no applicability - it sounds good, but the whole having the boss suit mentality is overrated. If the hand looks like an opener, it should be opened. This hand is definitely worth an opening bid, thus should not be passed.

[MattieShoe]

effervesce, on Sep 25 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

I think you should have opened this nice hand (especially at MPs) 1♥. But anyway, back to the topic - 2NT since pard didn't open 2♦.

I think I read somewhere else that the Pearson point count/Casino count in practice has almost no applicability - it sounds good, but the whole having the boss suit mentality is overrated. If the hand looks like an opener, it should be opened. This hand is definitely worth an opening bid, thus should not be passed.

I considered opening 1♥... KnR hand evaluator gives it 12.20 and it's a 19 in terms of rule of 20. If I was 3rd hand, I would have opened it. I wrote a script that breaks down IMPs for me by position for a bit over 1000 hands:

Declarer: +40.49 IMP
Dummy: -196.82 IMP
Leading defender: +149.64 IMP
3rd hand defender: +216.21 IMP

So maybe I've subconsiously learned to be a somewhat conservative opener outside of 3rd seat because I tend to score better by capitalizing on opponents' mistakes instead of running the risk of partner mistakes :-)

[the hog]

"I think I read somewhere else that the Pearson point count/Casino count in practice has almost no applicability - it sounds good, but the whole having the boss suit mentality is overrated. If the hand looks like an opener, it should be opened. This hand is definitely worth an opening bid, thus should not be passed."

In your opinion; not in mine. Please quote your sources. "I read somewhere" - really? I channelled Belladonna, and he said this was not an opener. I think my source is more valid than "somewhere".

[pooltuna]

The_Hog, on Sep 25 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

"I think I read somewhere else that the Pearson point count/Casino count in practice has almost no applicability - it sounds good, but the whole having the boss suit mentality is overrated. If the hand looks like an opener, it should be opened. This hand is definitely worth an opening bid, thus should not be passed."

In your opinion; not in mine. Please quote your sources. "I read somewhere" - really? I channelled Belladonna, and he said this was not an opener. I think my source is more valid than "somewhere".

Outer Space is, while almost empty, "somewhere"

[655321]

The_Hog, on Sep 25 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

effervesce, on Sep 25 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

I think I read somewhere else that the Pearson point count/Casino count in practice has almost no applicability - it sounds good, but the whole having the boss suit mentality is overrated. If the hand looks like an opener, it should be opened. This hand is definitely worth an opening bid, thus should not be passed.

In your opinion; not in mine. Please quote your sources. "I read somewhere" - really? I channelled Belladonna, and he said this was not an opener. I think my source is more valid than "somewhere".

Effervesce may have read it on these forums; there have been many threads about Pearson points. Here for example is one thread where some posters claim that Pearson points are not relevant.

BTW Hog, I have grave(?) doubts that Belladonna rose from the dead to discuss bridge hands with you. But if he did it is disappointing that he wasted such an opportunity by recommending a pass on this opening hand.