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opps open 4h
#2
Posted 2009-September-18, 16:25
Only if your agreement is penalty, some play double here as takeout.
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Bridge should be fun!
#3
Posted 2009-September-18, 16:27
Great problem that almost all beginner/ints seem to get wrong.
Assuming you play the X here as cards or takeout, passing is the clear action. With a doubleton spade and such defensive heart values, you really can't stand a takeout to 4S if you double which is usually what will happen. Most hands with 4 spades (given your heart holding) and all hands with 5 spades are going to bid 4S, and you rate to have turned a plus into a minus, perhaps a big minus if doubled.
So the lesson here is that you cannot double even though you must be like 90 % to beat them, and will often beat them 2.
That really sucks! But bridge is a game of frequencies, and what conventions you is also a matter of frequencies. It is rare that you will have a penalty double based on trump values when they open 4 of a major. Usually you will have lots of high cards, or some high cards and shortness in their major. You want partner to be free to bid when you have AKxx x Axxx QJxx (it may even be a double game swing). That type of hand is probably 10x as likely as this hand type. So when you have this hand type you pay off, oh well.
I should also note that some people play penalty doubles of 4 of a major, and if that is your agreement you should make one here. I will say that I think this is a vastly inferior agreement, and almost all experts have come to the same conclusion.
Assuming you play the X here as cards or takeout, passing is the clear action. With a doubleton spade and such defensive heart values, you really can't stand a takeout to 4S if you double which is usually what will happen. Most hands with 4 spades (given your heart holding) and all hands with 5 spades are going to bid 4S, and you rate to have turned a plus into a minus, perhaps a big minus if doubled.
So the lesson here is that you cannot double even though you must be like 90 % to beat them, and will often beat them 2.
That really sucks! But bridge is a game of frequencies, and what conventions you is also a matter of frequencies. It is rare that you will have a penalty double based on trump values when they open 4 of a major. Usually you will have lots of high cards, or some high cards and shortness in their major. You want partner to be free to bid when you have AKxx x Axxx QJxx (it may even be a double game swing). That type of hand is probably 10x as likely as this hand type. So when you have this hand type you pay off, oh well.
I should also note that some people play penalty doubles of 4 of a major, and if that is your agreement you should make one here. I will say that I think this is a vastly inferior agreement, and almost all experts have come to the same conclusion.
#4
Posted 2009-September-19, 14:59
Pass.
You would like to play pen., but you dont do, so accept it.
With kind regards
Marlowe
You would like to play pen., but you dont do, so accept it.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2009-September-21, 10:13
I agree with Justin that this is an excellent example hand.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
"gwnn" said:
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hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
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