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Posted 2009-September-23, 03:33

Where in the laws is it mentioned that dummy has not the right to look at the scorecard during play ? Is it 43 A 1c ? :unsure:

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Posted 2009-September-23, 09:36

Dummy has 3 absolute rights, and 3 "qualified" (meaning limited, see below) rights [Laws 42A and B]. Looking at the scorecard is none of them.

Dummy also has six specific limitations [Laws 43A1 and 2]. Looking at the scorecard is none of these either, but see below.

Is there another place in the laws where this question is addressed? I don't find a specific reference, but it seems to me that doing so may convey UI to declarer (Law 16A1). Doesn't mean it's prohibited — [u]giving[u] UI is not usually an infraction — but it may cause problems, so I'd say it's ill-advised, at least.

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Law 42A1{c} said:

Dummy must not participate in the play, nor may he communicate anything about the play to declarer.
One could argue that looking at the scorecard violates, or at least may violate, this law.
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  Posted 2009-September-23, 17:23

So, it is not prohibited to look at a score-card, but there are dangers. But I think most people look at a score-card because they are bored - see other thread!!!! If this is the reason - especially if it is clearly the reason - then no harm, and it is not illegal.
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Posted 2009-September-24, 02:29

As the standard in Norway now is Barometer we no longer normally use scorecards with the boards.

But when we had, it was quite common if a dummy looked at the scorecard during the play to immediately order him away from the table until play had ended so that he could not accidentally convey any information to declarer.

(This practice resulted in very diciplined dummies! ;) )

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Posted 2009-September-24, 02:53

I fear Sven is caught by a misconception here.

A scorecard - IMO what Al and our moderators meant (?) - is one's personal sheet of paper to note one's own boards in order to check the official scores afterwards and / or to memorize those boards afterwards at the bar.
A scoresheet - IMO what Sven meant - is the sheet of paper travelling together with the board in order to note the results on it.

I cannot believe any jurisdiction to allow dummy to look at the scoresheet before play has ended. A scorecard is not that dangerous.
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