[655321]

Agree with everyone that this hand is far to good to pass a 1/1, but I do think passing a 1/1 is fine with a disgusting 12 count, or worse.

The_Hog, on Sep 14 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

I have never passed a 1/1 in my life and will never do so. Why offer an open invitation to the opponents to compete?

Wow. Then either your opponents have an easy time because you have never opened light in 3rd seat, or your partner has a nightmare trying to guess whether you have 14 or 9 after your rebid.

[the hog]

pooltuna, on Sep 15 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 14 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

2S on the given hand. I have never passed a 1/1 in my life and will never do so. Why offer an open invitation to the opponents to compete?

because +300 or +500 is better than +140?

wtf? If you play against turkeys you might get these results....maybe.

[mike777]

if the issue is can we ever pass a 1/1 after third seat opening then...of course we can....

even if we assume pard will not have a bal. 11 or decent unbal ten I still rebid on this example

[awm]

I've gotten many good results from passing one level responses.

Occasionally opponents do let you play 1M. This is usually when the suit is breaking 3-3 (else one of them might have a takeout double), and plays pretty well. More often, the opponents balance and we compete to the two-level, buying the contract. The win here is that we pretty often get to play 2♠, whereas if we had raised partner would make a game try and force us to play 3♠. Sure, occasionally opponents can profitably compete to the three level and this would've been hard for them to find if we had raised directly, but more often the information gained by partner (our hand is minimum, and if we raise we have a real hand) comes in valuable.

With that said, I don't like to pass the one-level response when I have a solid opening bid. There are plenty of hands where game is good, the easiest examples being double fit hands (for example ♠KQxxx ♥xx ♦xx ♣Axxx is an excellent game). If you play some combination of methods where you open both shapely one-suiters and two-suiters on sub-minimum values passing may be more appealing though.

[skjaeran]

I might pass 1/1 facing a passed hand, with the right hand for that.

But this is not the right hand. Easy raise to 2♠, IMO. It's the most descriptive bid, it keeps open the possibility to reach game vs the right hand, and it preempts the opps when it's a competitive hand.

[bill1157]

I think pass is ok with this hand, since you could bid 2♣ if the opponents come in with 1NT. Partner should be able to read you for 3 spades (a support pass?)

Bill

[Quantumcat]

Raising says if you have a max, we can make game, since you pass when game is impossible. If responder has a max with four spades, he bids 3NT, which you can correct if you have four.

[the hog]

"Raising says if you have a max, we can make game"

No it does not. Raising means let us up the ante and not give the opps a free run.

[jmcw]

Quantumcat, on Sep 15 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

Raising says if you have a max, we can make game, since you pass when game is impossible. If responder has a max with four spades, he bids 3NT, which you can correct if you have four.

A raise shows a fit. Period!
What your suggesting here makes no sense to me

[jvage]

I think inexperienced players generally pass too often in this position, thinking that since partner has passed no game is possible with their minimum. With 3-cardsupport you may sometimes pass with a minimum opening (I agree with the majority, and would bid 2♠ on the original deal), but rarely ever with 4. This is both to show our fit to partner (making it easier if opponents compete), to keep the opponents out of the bidding and because the fourth trump makes our own game more likely/possible. I would however never expect 3NT from partner, with a balanced maximum for an opening pass 2NT would be more than enough, with 10/11 and 4333 pass would be the normal action.

[vuroth]

I admit, I'm surprised by all of this. I would have thought that opponents would be more likely to balance opposite a known fit (raising 1♠ to 2♠), than opposite a suspected misfit (1NT, or passing 1♠).

[neilkaz]

jillybean, on Sep 13 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

P (P) 1♣ (P)
1♠ (P) P

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This auction was posted as part of another thread (laws and rulings), one of the comments was

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How much I hate dropping 1/1 cannot be described in words

Please elaborate.

Lets say responder has 11 HCP and 5♠. Many people who aren't playing a forcing club system that caters to lighter openings, would pass...

♠ KQxxx
♥ xxx
♦ Jx
♣ AJx

where you have good play for game.

I also hate dropping 1/1 and IMHO, it is clearly easier for the opps to come in at the 2 level than at the 3 level over 2♠.

The only time I drop a 1/1 is if I was really light for my opening or response.