[mugsmate]

helene_t, on Sep 12 2009, 06:14 AM, said:

West would probably have doubled 4♦ given correct explanation. Then EW gets to 4♠, and NS might not sacrifice. If they do, EW might pass it out or double or bid 5♠. If they bid 5♠ they would probably be one off but might make it once in a blue moon.

So
5♠= ... 5%
5♠-1 ... 15%
4♠= ... 15%
4♠+1 ...5%
5♦-2 ... 30%
5♦x-2x ... 30%

10% chance of a spade contract which makes 11 tricks is probably overstated, maybe I should round it off to zero.

Question: Am I allowed to include a result that gives the offenders an advantage (here 5♠-1) or must I leave that out?

5S making? How can that possibly happen?
How about 4S one off?
South leads the hA looking for a ruff; north discourages and south switch to the c10, surrounding the Jack.

[mjj29]

Sven Pran, on Sep 12 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

But a user who has set his profile incorrect will usually complain that the forum keeps an incorrect clock. Eventually he will learn that in order to get correct times on messages he must have his own profile correct.

Well, you say that, but I never look at the times. I have no idea whether my time is set correctly. I rather suspect (since I've done nothing to set it) that it isn't.

More annoying to me is that I've not found a way to veiw people's real names (assuming they have entereed them). There's at least one person I'm 90% sure I know who they are (and have therefore met in person)... but I can't check

Matt

[Sven Pran]

mjj29, on Sep 13 2009, 01:40 AM, said:

Sven Pran, on Sep 12 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

But a user who has set his profile incorrect will usually complain that the forum keeps an incorrect clock. Eventually he will learn that in order to get correct times on messages he must have his own profile correct.

Well, you say that, but I never look at the times. I have no idea whether my time is set correctly. I rather suspect (since I've done nothing to set it) that it isn't.

More annoying to me is that I've not found a way to veiw people's real names (assuming they have entereed them). There's at least one person I'm 90% sure I know who they are (and have therefore met in person)... but I can't check

Matt

Well, from what I have found out your profile is set to CSTDST (Central Standard Time with Daylight saving time in operation).

(I can't help you with real user names)

regards Sven

[gnasher]

I don't understand why anyone is considering what might happen in a spade contract. For that to be relevant, you have to be able to think of an auction that leads to a spade contract.

Let's think about how the auction would have proceeded if West had doubled 4♦.

- North would still be responding to RKCB. He has two key cards and the queen of trumps, and they normally play DOPI. Hence he would bid 4♠.

- East would double that to show spades and a desire to bid.

- South, who doesn't want to play in 4♠x, would bid 5♦.

- West, now knowing that his partner has values and wanted to bid 4♠, would double, both to protect the possible plus score in 4♠ and to discourage further action by East.

- East, lacking any aces and having shown his hand already, has an obvious pass of the double.

Once West enters the auction, it is very unlikely that the contract will be anything either than 5♦x. It seems to me that the only relevant question is how likely it is that West would double 4♦.

[barmar]

mjj29, on Sep 12 2009, 07:40 PM, said:

More annoying to me is that I've not found a way to veiw people's real names (assuming they have entereed them). There's at least one person I'm 90% sure I know who they are (and have therefore met in person)... but I can't check

Matt

Some people put their real names in their signatures. But I have signature display disabled, so I never see them. I usually learn the regulars' names by inference when other people refer to their posts.

Then there's people like you who sign their messages in the text rather than using a signature in their profile.

[FrancesHinden]

mjj29, on Sep 13 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

Sven Pran, on Sep 12 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

But a user who has set his profile incorrect will usually complain that the forum keeps an incorrect clock. Eventually he will learn that in order to get correct times on messages he must have his own profile correct.

Well, you say that, but I never look at the times. I have no idea whether my time is set correctly. I rather suspect (since I've done nothing to set it) that it isn't.

More annoying to me is that I've not found a way to veiw people's real names (assuming they have entereed them). There's at least one person I'm 90% sure I know who they are (and have therefore met in person)... but I can't check

Matt

Why not send them a message asking who they are?

[FrancesHinden]

VixTD, on Sep 10 2009, 01:49 PM, said:

Convention cards give no clue as to what is the actual agreement. North claims to have a comprehensive set of system notes confirming his view, but not with him, unfortunately. (South should have called the director and corrected the misinformation at the end of the hand, but perhaps he was unsure his original view was correct.)

The correct explanation was probably "no agreement"

We happen to have a copy both of their comprehensive system notes and of their WBF convention card (rather than the smaller EBU one they were using at Brighton).

The former says the bid was RKCB, the latter implies it was pre-emptive.

We guess that North wrote one and South wrote the other, and ne'er the twain shall meet.

[campboy]

gnasher, on Sep 13 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

- North would still be responding to RKCB. He has two key cards and the queen of trumps, and they normally play DOPI. Hence he would bid 4♠.

Good point -- I had failed to spot that the double would have changed North's response. This does make it pretty unlikely that 5♠ would be bid.

[Vampyr]

Sven Pran, on Sep 12 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

But a user who has set his profile incorrect will usually complain that the forum keeps an incorrect clock. Eventually he will learn that in order to get correct times on messages he must have his own profile correct.

I am not so sure. I am in GMT+1, and Blackshoe's message is stamped 4:30 PM. But I don't really care, and will probably not change my profile.