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Today we had a bidding which we did not agree on (SAYC):
1♠ 2♥
4♣ ?
I thought it was a strong black suited hand ca 19-21 p and my partner ment it as a cue bid with hearts as trump. She argued that with black suits she could have bid 3♣ which is still forcing (one bid). I suggested that 5♣ would have been a cue bid.
Somehow I understand her point, but we had only agreed on SAYC and never discussed this situation earlier.
Comments, please.
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2nd suit and strong or a cue bid?
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Posted 2009-September-06, 13:35
thjj, on Sep 6 2009, 02:01 PM, said:
Today we had a bidding which we did not agree on (SAYC):
1♠ 2♥
4♣ ?
I thought it was a strong black suited hand ca 19-21 p and my partner ment it as a cue bid with hearts as trump. She argued that with black suits she could have bid 3♣ which is still forcing (one bid). I suggested that 5♣ would have been a cue bid.
Somehow I understand her point, but we had only agreed on SAYC and never discussed this situation earlier.
Comments, please.
1♠ 2♥
4♣ ?
I thought it was a strong black suited hand ca 19-21 p and my partner ment it as a cue bid with hearts as trump. She argued that with black suits she could have bid 3♣ which is still forcing (one bid). I suggested that 5♣ would have been a cue bid.
Somehow I understand her point, but we had only agreed on SAYC and never discussed this situation earlier.
Comments, please.
well for me it would have been more specific than a qbid it would specifically have shown a singleton ♣ and 4+ ♥. Oh and welcome to the 21st century
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Posted 2009-September-06, 16:39
3♣ is 100% forcing. Has been for many years. It's called a "high reverse."
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Posted 2009-September-06, 16:42
Maybe in very, very old Acol 3♣ can be non forcing. Can it?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 16:53
gwnn, on Sep 6 2009, 05:42 PM, said:
Maybe in very, very old Acol 3♣ can be non forcing. Can it?
Nope. A new suit at 3 level is forcing in Acol.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 18:23
gwnn, on Sep 7 2009, 05:42 AM, said:
Maybe in very, very old Acol 3♣ can be non forcing. Can it?
No it is and was always forcing. It might have been non forcing in Buller.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 19:01
The_Hog, on Sep 6 2009, 07:23 PM, said:
gwnn, on Sep 7 2009, 05:42 AM, said:
Maybe in very, very old Acol 3♣ can be non forcing. Can it?
No it is and was always forcing. It might have been non forcing in Buller.
In that case Buller should take the day off.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 20:58
Winstonm, on Sep 6 2009, 08:01 PM, said:
The_Hog, on Sep 6 2009, 07:23 PM, said:
gwnn, on Sep 7 2009, 05:42 AM, said:
Maybe in very, very old Acol 3♣ can be non forcing. Can it?
No it is and was always forcing. It might have been non forcing in Buller.
In that case Buller should take the day off.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 21:47
and I thought I was old...."buller"? I have only been playing off and on for 50 years, but as a child a high reverse was game committed.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 00:00
Hi,
Most would play, that 4C is a splinter for hearts.
A simple definition for a splinte - if bidding the suit one
level cheaper is natural and forcing, the bid is a splinter.
Since 3C instead of 4C would be forcing, ... 4C is a splinter.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Most would play, that 4C is a splinter for hearts.
A simple definition for a splinte - if bidding the suit one
level cheaper is natural and forcing, the bid is a splinter.
Since 3C instead of 4C would be forcing, ... 4C is a splinter.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2009-September-07, 00:05
One does not need two bids for the same hand. In SAYC as well as any system ever played, 3C is natural and forcing, therefore whatever 4C is, it cannot be natural and as such, is obviously forcing.
SAYC card does not have splinters so it was showing club ace and heart support. Still, most people who claim to play SAYC, use (or even have agreement with partner to use) splinters. That's what I would guess it is without prior discussion unless I am 100% sure that my partner knows what is on SAYC cards [no splinter].
SAYC card does not have splinters so it was showing club ace and heart support. Still, most people who claim to play SAYC, use (or even have agreement with partner to use) splinters. That's what I would guess it is without prior discussion unless I am 100% sure that my partner knows what is on SAYC cards [no splinter].
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