[H_KARLUK]

Scoring: Total Points

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GIB   H_KARLUK   GIB   GIB

3♦          4♦            5♦    PASS
PASS     5♥     AP

Are you sure no way to fix it?

[TylerE]

Call me a simple soul, but maybe X 3♦. In other words, take the normal action. Don't expect to invent a sequence and have gib understand it.

[Phil]

Fix it?

So you want Ari to come over to your house and give you lessons?

[H_KARLUK]

Phil, on Sep 6 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

Fix it?

So you want Ari to come over to your house and give you lessons?

Am I talking to brick walls?

[Phil]

H_KARLUK, on Sep 6 2009, 06:55 PM, said:

Phil, on Sep 6 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

Fix it?

So you want Ari to come over to your house and give you lessons?

Am I talking to brick walls?

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I don't know of anyone in the last 30 year that plays 4♦ as a strong takeout. Double is obvious.

I have no idea why GIB didn't bid 5♠, but if you are looking for flaws in the software, I can think of more pressing issues than the correct responses to a cue bid played as a strong takeout.

[the hog]

I suspect he meant 4D as Michaels; if so, no one bids it at this level with a 5-4 shape. Phil is correct, x is obvious. Don't know how you can fix this except to bid better yourself.

[H_KARLUK]

The_Hog, on Sep 6 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

Don't know how you can fix this except to bid better yourself.

Boom boom boom ? ROFL

[CarlRitner]

Maybe if you tell us what you mean by the 4 ♦ overcall, we could tell you the likelihood that GIB would agree with that.

One of the drawbacks to computer bridge is that you simply must play the computer's system. GIB North is going to react to 4♦ according to what Matt Ginsberg told it the meaning was, or if he didn't specify it, i.e. this is a hole in the bidding database, then the default rules will apply.

[H_KARLUK]

Carl, on Sep 6 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

Maybe if you tell us what you mean by the 4 ♦ overcall, we could tell you the likelihood that GIB would agree with that.

One of the drawbacks to computer bridge is that you simply must play the computer's system.  GIB North is going to react to 4♦ according to what Matt Ginsberg told it the meaning was, or if he didn't specify it, i.e. this is a hole in the bidding database, then the default rules will apply.

Thanks TylerE and Carl

I didn't like the idea of X over 3 level preempt for the possibility of could be turned into penalty:

Say GIB at North seat holds

Scoring: Total Points

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4♥&4♠ laydown and if there is no ruff after ♠ ace and to 2nd ♠ then perhaps 6 ♥missed. Shortly unbalanced deals sometimes cause to dilemmas. Who knows when they are vul and our side nonvul GIB may think worths to try a simple pass for collecting more than a game.

2ndly, we all know after a Major opening 2NT overcall is unusual. But we also sometimes use it at 4 level. Likewise 1 minor - 2minor overcall is Michaels CB. Really no way out to describe 5-5Majors after opp starts with a 3 level preemptive?

3rdly, in original layout bidding their suit at 4 level than a free new bid at 5 level while partner passes does not promises "big"?

[JoAnneM]

GIB thinks? It's a computer. Shouldn't your priority be to make the bid that it will most likely recognize and will give you the information you want?

[H_KARLUK]

JoAnneM, on Sep 6 2009, 10:40 PM, said:

GIB thinks? It's a computer.  Shouldn't your priority be to make the bid that it will most likely recognize and will give you the information you want?

Instead of playing with a single word (thinks) why don't you try to answer my questions?

[the hog]

Your questions have been answered. NO ONE still plays 4D as a strong takeout. The 4D bid is a misbid in modern bridge and as been pointed out, a takeout double is obvious. If you are playing with a good player and the takeout x is passed, then you can be confident it was passed because of a penalty trump holding or a hand unsuitable for any other bid.

"Really no way out to describe 5-5Majors after opp starts with a 3 level preemptive?"

Yes there is, however you don't have a 5/5 hand. Do you want your partner to bid 4S on a 3235 hand for example.

Finally as has been pointed out, GIB is programmed for most common bidding situations, not flights of fancy.

[H_KARLUK]

The_Hog, on Sep 6 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

"Really no way out to describe 5-5Majors after opp starts with a 3 level preemptive?"

Yes there is, however you don't have a 5/5 hand. Do you want your partner to bid 4S on a 3235 hand for example.

Yawn

If there is so what's that bid? 4♦?

I die to find 3235 esp GIB holds missing major HCP when I held 5-5 Majors and AKJ clubs (8 cards fit !).

[TylerE]

4♦ shows the 5-5. Double is takeout. It...is...that...simple.

[H_KARLUK]

TylerE, on Sep 6 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

4♦ shows the 5-5. Double is takeout. It...is...that...simple.

I very much appreciate I gave 4♦ to show 5/5. GIB is expected to know I have 5/5 strong. It's my problem that I held 4/5.

pass to 5♥ in original auction with AQ873,872,63,Q42 seems peculiar.

[the hog]

"pass to 5♥ in original auction with AQ873,872,63,Q42 seems peculiar. "

Yes, but so does the original 4D bid. Look if you don't want answers and can't take criticism, don't post.

[H_KARLUK]

The_Hog, on Sep 6 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

"pass to 5♥ in original auction with AQ873,872,63,Q42 seems peculiar. "

Yes, but so does the original 4D bid.  Look if you don't want answers and can't take criticism, don't post.

Well I do not think I have an attitude problem. I think you have a perception problem.

Back to discussion : GIB is supposed to read 4 diamonds as strong 5-5 or not? Forget about I held 4/5 and say I had 5/5 Majors.

Really GIB saw my cards?

[rwbarton]

Gib plays this 4♦ bid as "Strong two suiter -- 4- losers".

EDIT: Specifically, the suits do not have to be the majors. Gib would bid this way with ♠- ♥AKQJT ♦432 ♣AKQJT.

[H_KARLUK]

rwbarton, on Sep 6 2009, 11:27 PM, said:

Gib plays this 4♦ bid as "Strong two suiter -- 4- losers".

Okay , thanks for information. That matters. I think I held 4 losers in original layout.

[TylerE]

Learn to bid around GIB's weaknesses, of which delicate quantitative slam bidding is certainly one.