[precpj]

I am the one who also think Mutli is a brilliant concept and glad to see Multi is allowed in upper level ACBL pair competitions. However in below LM event or face to face bridge in local bridge club , General Chart in use bans multi.

Here in fun tournaments ( Free ones), playing mostly with a 1st time pick up partner, it is close to impossible to be on fair footing to play oppos tossing out MULTI

We all know when the bidding starts after the new round it is not ideal for oppos to rush out the brief details on Defense to their Multi

here are my two encounters with TDs

1. the first one: a must to announce system carding at each round. agreed to urge players announce Multi as the beginning or each round and ok for oppos to have a brief discussion right after.

2. the second one: not mandatory for the announcement of system or carding. wrong practice in my hmble opinion
I brought up the issue and same suggestion as in 1. in a very friendly fashion with all chats ended with HE got offended and tossed me out of the tournament.

I will certainly look for the opinion from BBO to see if this can be classified as abuse. In the interim I seek your thoughts if my request out of line ? if mulit plaers should be upset when oppos slow down to have a brief discussion on mutli

FYI, when I play precision this is my general announcement at gretting each round
"Hi We play Precision 14-161NT 15-17( 3rd vul and 4th) 1D 2+ cards Standard lead carding + MUD +Lavinthal in NT . Feel free to chat out your defenses against strong 1C Defenses to Strong 1C " When with multi "Hi We play Precision (with Multi only IF OK with you both oppos ) 14-161NT 1st and 2nd otherwise 15/17 Standard lead (top,2,4) carding +Lavinthal in NT . Feel free to chat out your defenses against strong 1C and Multi "

after all , this game is for the fun (MORE fun) of all 4 players present

Precpj

[shevek]

I just sit down and play. I like to think I can cope with whatever they throw. I find pre-alerts tiresome and intrusive. I'm grumpy so this reaction is probably atypical.

[anba]

For those who play the Multi then if not standard responses they should perhaps take a minute to discuss ...however, if standard then they have to alert the bids anyway so perhaps not needed ....most I find just want to get on and play the game and find long drawn out explainations are not welcome

[precpj]

at the table I was tossed out, the multi hand DID NOT come up; the chat was taking place during a long break before the round change.
I was simply urging a TD to make the announcement of multi a must at the round cahnge and urge Multi players to have to grace NOT to object any brief discussion on defense by oppos on casual partnership.

One canadian lady star during a vugraph presention when a multi came up.. she said '' oh the dread multi.. when I play multi in face to face bridge, I even gave oppos two methods in defense..."

Precpj

[the hog]

"Here in fun tournaments ( Free ones), playing mostly with a 1st time pick up partner, it is close to impossible to be on fair footing to play oppos tossing out MULTI"

I don't mind pre alerts, but saying you will only play it if the opps don't objetc is reductio ad absurdum.

"when a multi came up.. she said '' oh the dread multi"
roflmao. It is hardly "dreaded".

[precpj]

LIVE bridge when multi is allowed of course you just roll out multi and partner alerts it. Ball over to their court. Social bridge here when oppos are on casual partership ..Why bother ...

[ochinko]

Just because it's artificial doesn't make multi hard to cope with. It's certainly easier to defend against multi than to defend against std weak 2's because you have more space.

The real power of multi is freeing 2M bids for other type of preempts (like Muiderberg).

Funniest multi experience (partner deals and opens):

2♦* - (Dbl) - Pass - (2♠)
Dbl** - AP

* - multi
** - yay, they stepped in my suit!

Having the better part of the deck opps made their contract with 4:3 in ♠. Being the smartass that I am, I asked: "Partner, why did you bid your hand twice?"

[peachy]

precpj, on Sep 2 2009, 06:38 AM, said:

I am the one who also think Mutli is a brilliant concept and glad to see Multi is allowed in upper level ACBL pair competitions.

Multi is allowed in ACBL in Mid-Chart or Super Chart events where the round length is at least six (6) boards. It is not allowed in ACBL Pairs events, not even in Blue Ribbon! Well, unless the round length in a pairs event is six boards... which it never will be.

I

[the hog]

peachy, on Sep 4 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

precpj, on Sep 2 2009, 06:38 AM, said:

I am the one who also think Mutli is a brilliant concept and glad to see Multi is allowed in upper level ACBL pair competitions.

Multi is allowed in ACBL in Mid-Chart or Super Chart events where the round length is at least six (6) boards. It is not allowed in ACBL Pairs events, not even in Blue Ribbon! Well, unless the round length in a pairs event is six boards... which it never will be.

I

What an unbelievably narrow minded and parochial attitude. (Not your's Peachy(.

[Quantumcat]

lol, in australia three quarters of the old ladies in clubs play multi 2♦, then you see less and less of it the higher you go in competition level.

Just because your opponents don't like your system doesn't mean you're not allowed to play the parts they don't like! If a tournament allows forcing pass for instance, your captain shouldn't have placed you against that pair. Or in a pairs tournament, you are told before you enter what systems are allowed. If that includes multis, you shouldn't have entered in the first place if you can't deal with them! And if you do enter, it is your own responsibility to decide on a defence before you start play. If you didn't bother, then it's your own problem, your opponents are not obligated to let you figure one out on the spur of the moment. And in addition in BBO you see your cards immediately, and you can't have system discussions after picking up your hand. I'm sure that's illegal even if opps say you can.

Mandatory announcement of system makes no sense. As long as things are alerted, you can ask either opp privately without letting their partner know they are being asked something, or even about half the alerts.

And multi is way easier to defend against than regular weak twos, because you get twice as many opportunities to bid. It's like the difference between playing transfers after 1NT or weak takeout bids - you can show more hands.

[the hog]

Quantumcat, on Sep 4 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

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And multi is way easier to defend against than regular weak twos, because you get twice as many opportunities to bid. It's like the difference between playing transfers after 1NT or weak takeout bids - you can show more hands.

Depends on the Multi. With the mini multi, 2D is often passed. Also what about 2H = weak 2 in H or S?

[precpj]

I was talking about on the on line tournament

most players are with A PICK UP partner, why tossing out multi if oppos are NOT comfortable or objecting oppos to have a brief discussion or A TD NOT enforcing system announcement or carding at round change

Playing face to face bridge with multi allowed of course no need to announce system you use just have your convention card ready if your pair or oppos are not ready to defend against multi that is your freedom of choice


Precpj

[peachy]

precpj, on Sep 5 2009, 05:41 AM, said:

I was talking about on the on line tournament

most players are with A PICK UP partner, why tossing out multi if oppos are NOT comfortable or objecting oppos to have a brief discussion or A TD NOT enforcing system announcement or carding at round change

Playing face to face bridge with multi allowed of course no need to announce system you use just have your convention card ready if your pair or oppos are not ready to defend against multi that is your freedom of choice


Precpj

Clearly you are no longer talking about ACBL although your original post started that way. I don't agree with the ACBL regs, I just happen to know what they are.