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Posted 2009-August-31, 21:23

1♣:2♣ (inverted)
2♥:3♦
3♠

How do the 2/1 experts play this?
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Posted 2009-August-31, 22:35

Looking for half stop since partner has denied a full stop.
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Posted 2009-September-01, 07:17

yes, looking for help.
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Posted 2009-September-01, 08:04

Same concept, but just to be precise...

If the call is a notrump probe, it shows something in spades and seeks help. Thus, it is a showing bid. This is contrasted with a pure asking bid, which might be deemed a "denial" type of call. Whereas this call does deny enough to bid 3NT, it contextually must also show something.

I think this is relevant when determining what 3♠ means if it turms out that partner was actually slammish. In that event, the call should be construed, IMO, as a control-showing cue. In a different auction, for example, where the bid was purely asking, then it makes more sense, IMO, in a slam-going sequence for the call to be a "denial cue" for slam purposes, if for no other reason than consistency. It is difficult to switch tacks mid-auction.
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Posted 2009-September-01, 11:00

Jlall, on Sep 1 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

Looking for half stop since partner has denied a full stop.

Would it be a good idea to play this as transfer to 3NT?
and bid it with eg ♠Ax(x)?

It would say: "I have a balanced hand and want to play 3NT, but maybe it is better if you play it. Even if you have no Spade stop I think that 3NT is the best contract"
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Posted 2009-September-01, 16:22

Jlall, on Aug 31 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

Looking for half stop since partner has denied a full stop.

Agreed and wishing someone would write a new book on INVM so I can ask a few partners to read it.
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Posted 2009-September-01, 18:26

neilkaz, on Sep 1 2009, 03:22 PM, said:

Jlall, on Aug 31 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

Looking for half stop since partner has denied a full stop.

Agreed and wishing someone would write a new book on INVM so I can ask a few partners to read it.

You could start with some key points here :(
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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