[mike777]

MP Both NV

In third seat your hand is:

83....VOID.....A976.....KJ96542

the bidding goes:

1S=P=1NT=(2H)
X?


Please describe what the x means and what partner's hand is.

[Cascade]

SAYC has the following guidelines:

"Here are some guidelines as to when an X is penalty. Be wary of doubling the opponents for penalty on the strength of partner's overcall.

1. When the X is made late in the auction: i.e. 1♠-P-2♠-P-4♠-X


2. When the X's partner has accurately described both his strength and distribution.


3. When either partner has XX'ed earlier


4. When either has earlier made a penalty X or a penalty pass of a takeout X


5. When an artificial bid has been X'ed


6. When the major suit response to a preempt has been X'ed


7. In borderline cases, when the X'er is behind the original bidder"

I think 2. above does not apply to a 1NT response which is wide ranging in terms of distribution.

Some might think 7. applies.

Therefore I would play takeout doubles in this sequence.

Others agree that double is penalties by opener or responder after a 1NT response.

In the end it is a matter of partnership agreement like so many other things.

[P_Marlowe]

t/o, partnership agreement, we usually reopen fairly agressive,
so if I would ever have a pen. X, I could easily pass and await
partners X.

A hard fast simple rule, "all" low level doubles are for t/o, means
I am not forced to learn a long list, which I would forget the moment
I close the book / script.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

With my partner this take out, so I bid clubs. I try 4 clubs, because I have a great hand.

[gwnn]

takeout double. but partner probably misbid. <----------------------euphemism

[Fluffy]

Agree with Roland. I can see many hands consistent with the take out double, just they aren't very likelly

[rd6789]

Should be t/o - if p wants to play in 2HX he'll have to hope you'll reopen - possible shapes would be 6133, or 5044 5134 with good spades

If there is no heart raise I will wonder what is going on

[jmcw]

DBL shows a good hand with good ♥. Partner can leave it in, correct back to ♠, invite with NT, or get out in a minor with a garbage.

[pooltuna]

jmcw, on Aug 25 2009, 08:44 AM, said:

DBL shows a good hand with good ♥. Partner can leave it in, correct back to ♠, invite with NT, or get out in a minor with a garbage.

Isn't this the definition of a DSIP X. I choose 3♣ as my response

[aguahombre]

Mr. Burrows (Cascade) did a great job of presenting the issue. I agree takeout, here, but he explains it all.