psych Mostly early in a team match
#1
Posted 2009-August-23, 04:14
Should this be indicated on your convention card. (e.g: Psches: mostly early in the match):
- when you never discussed this with your regular partner (He has seen it, but maybe does not really realise that this is your strategy).
- when you told your partner that this is a good strategy and you will try to do it.
...Or can this be considered as general bridge knowledge and no disclosure is needed?
Thanks,
Koen
#2
Posted 2009-August-23, 04:52
#3
Posted 2009-August-23, 08:20
The_Hog, on Aug 23 2009, 07:52 PM, said:
Because...?
YOu remember the guy Art talked about: He psyched in the first board of every team match they played. His partner will be well aware of this. But me as on opponent won't be. This is unfair if it is not disclosed.
Roland
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More system is not the answer...
#4
Posted 2009-August-23, 09:24
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
Should this be indicated on your convention card. (e.g: Psches: mostly early in the match):
- when you never discussed this with your regular partner (He has seen it, but maybe does not really realise that this is your strategy).
You can do this once or twice, then it becomes an implicit agreement, illegal.
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
Illegal, this is a concealed partnership understanding
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
And this must be a joke? No
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
#5
Posted 2009-August-23, 10:44
Part of the purpose of a psych is to make your opponents think twice or put some doubt in their minds. If you psych on the last board of a match, you do not get the full effect of this (though opponents will tend to remember these things the next time you face them).
If I misunderstood and you routinely, almost always, psych in the first X boards of a match and never in the last Y boards of a match, then that's a different story. But, if you psyche 1 time in 50 early in a match and 1 time in 500 late in a match, I don't think there is anything to worry about.
#6
Posted 2009-August-23, 11:00
jillybean, on Aug 23 2009, 11:24 AM, said:
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
Should this be indicated on your convention card. (e.g: Psches: mostly early in the match):
- when you never discussed this with your regular partner (He has seen it, but maybe does not really realise that this is your strategy).
You can do this once or twice, then it becomes an implicit agreement, illegal.
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
Illegal, this is a concealed partnership understanding
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
And this must be a joke? No
It's a partnership understanding. It's only illegal if it violates the convention regulations in force, or if it is not disclosed IAW disclosure regulations. If my partner had been using this strategy enough that I was aware he was doing it, or we had discussed it, I would alert every time he might be doing it. So long as it's not an illegal agreement, it's perfectly legal. Of course, most likely partner will stop doing it, either out of annoyance that I'm "spoiling the surprise" for the opponents
In some places and at some levels, knowledge that a particular psych is likely (or at least possible) is "general bridge knowledge". In North American clubs, at least the ones with which I'm familiar, the fact that people can and do psych is not GBK.
Edit: Didn't see Tim's post. He's right, at least in places where people do psych once in a while. Even in places where psychs are very rare, although one should be careful about psyching against the clueless.
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#7
Posted 2009-August-23, 11:51
kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 03:14 AM, said:
Makes me think this will occur more frequently than 1 in 50 matches.
blackshoe, on Aug 23 2009, 10:00 AM, said:
No mention that partner will disclose this agreement– illegal.
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blackshoe, on Aug 23 2009, 10:00 AM, said:
Are you saying it is general bridge knowledge “to psych mostly early in a team match” ? Isn’t this what we should be discussing here, not some other specific bid /position/vulnerability. ?
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
#8
Posted 2009-August-23, 12:34
I made a general comment about psyching, and whether, in general, the probability of a psych in some positions and vulnerabilities is "general bridge knowledge". What I am saying by that is that in some places and at some levels it may be GBK that a particular call might be a psych. That includes the case of psyching early in a teams match (assuming that generally may be done — I'm no expert on when and when not to psych). I would not consider it GBK at my local club, even though a couple of players there are known to psych occasionally (and with those players, there is no question of CPU). It might very well be GBK at world championship level.
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean

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