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preempt or not ? how bad is passing 4S ?
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Posted 2009-August-21, 02:14
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is vital to the development of bidding theory
Lukasz Slawinski, 1978"
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is vital to the development of bidding theory
Lukasz Slawinski, 1978"
Love your signature.
Wayne Burrows
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-21, 06:08
ArtK78, on Aug 20 2009, 12:49 PM, said:
The 4♠ opening can best be classified as a psyche. It might work, but it isn't a proper description of the hand.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
thinking about 9 card spade suit, specially when we have 3 is not very good, I think chances of 8 spades vs 9 will be like 15-1
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Posted 2009-August-21, 11:32
Not to mention the stiff vs stiff diamond. Partner is favorite to have
KQxxxxxx
at least 2D. A side ace/trick is surely possible for me.
or KQxxxxx and a 4 card side suit (probably D) and once again a side ace is surely possible. So the 5 level is very safe and 6 is a clear possibility.
KQxxxxxx
at least 2D. A side ace/trick is surely possible for me.
or KQxxxxx and a 4 card side suit (probably D) and once again a side ace is surely possible. So the 5 level is very safe and 6 is a clear possibility.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2009-August-21, 20:43
Misiry anyone?
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 20:50
ArtK78, on Aug 21 2009, 12:49 AM, said:
The 4♠ opening can best be classified as a psyche. It might work, but it isn't a proper description of the hand.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
As Fluffy said above they are also extremely low frequency hands.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-21, 20:55
benlessard, on Aug 22 2009, 05:32 AM, said:
Not to mention the stiff vs stiff diamond. Partner is favorite to have
KQxxxxxx
at least 2D. A side ace/trick is surely possible for me.
or KQxxxxx and a 4 card side suit (probably D) and once again a side ace is surely possible. So the 5 level is very safe and 6 is a clear possibility.
KQxxxxxx
at least 2D. A side ace/trick is surely possible for me.
or KQxxxxx and a 4 card side suit (probably D) and once again a side ace is surely possible. So the 5 level is very safe and 6 is a clear possibility.
What this essentially means is that if your partnership has firm standards whatever they are for your preempts (and other bids) then you will be better placed to make judgement calls.
This sort of hand will always cause discussion on a forum but in a practiced partnership it will either meet the requirements for 4♠ or not and then mostly the hands that continue will be easier to work out based on the partnership's agreements.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-22, 08:17
Don't you have a forcing opening then force "just answer my questions (S then D)"?
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Posted 2009-August-22, 11:53
Cascade, on Aug 21 2009, 09:50 PM, said:
ArtK78, on Aug 21 2009, 12:49 AM, said:
The 4♠ opening can best be classified as a psyche. It might work, but it isn't a proper description of the hand.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
South might move on his hand, but, on a bad day, he could be turning a plus into a minus. Partner could have:
KQTxxxxxx
x
x
xx
or
KQTxxxxxx
xx
x
x
These hands are legitimate 4♠ opening bids.
As Fluffy said above they are also extremely low frequency hands.
Last I checked it was not very common for a player to open 4♠ vulnerable.
Yes, these are low frequency hands. And opening 4♠ vul at IMPs should be a low frequency action.