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Posted 2009-August-14, 18:07

R vs W imps

(P)------P-----(1S)-------X
(2D!)---2H-----(P)--------???


xxx
Axx
AKxx
AKx

2D was alerted as 4 trumps 7-9, opps are very agressive.

We have an agreement that 4th hand bidding can be pretty light (when all other 3 players have showned points).


Is it obvious ?
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Posted 2009-August-14, 18:28

2S, what else?
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Posted 2009-August-14, 19:01

yeah 2♠, I think I am not staying away from game on this one.

This is probably another of those sequences where you wanna know if partner has 5 hearts but he will still bid 3♥ with a minimum 2434 :/.

Do people out there play 3m now as showing extras? woul it be different if 2♥ wasn't a free bid?
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Posted 2009-August-14, 23:36

2S is obvious on this round. Next round depends on what agreements you have. If new suits show extras and responder will jump to 4H aggressively with 5 decent hearts then you might be able to pass a 3H response.
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Posted 2009-August-14, 23:47

Is what obvious?

Oh I bid 2♠ btw.
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Posted 2009-August-14, 23:49

A second thought.

Some partnerships might double for takeout here showing four hearts and then 2♥ shows five and something in which case I would bid 4♥.

This seems a very inefficient convention of the opponents'. It keeps the bidding low so we can get in while they announce a fit. I suppose it is some sort of modified Drury.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 09:56

I think its pretty impossible to stop short of game with my hand. At 4H we got doubled for -2/ -500 for a terrible board. Afterward partner agree that he didnt have a 2H bid but said that maybe i should have bid just 3H.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 11:52

So what was the 2♥ bid made on?
...and was it "pretty light" as opposed to very light?
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Posted 2009-August-17, 12:37

benlessard, on Aug 17 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

I think its pretty impossible to stop short of game with my hand. At 4H we got doubled for -2/ -500 for a terrible board. Afterward partner agree that he didnt have a 2H bid but said that maybe i should have bid just 3H.

What were you playing your partner for?

I'd bid 2♥ as advancer with xx KQxx xxx xxxx or xx QJxxx Qxx xxx. Even if you think that's too weak, surely xx KQxxx xxx xxx is enough, so insisting on game seems excessive.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 14:17

3♥
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Posted 2009-August-18, 00:14

Start with 2S. If partner should show a minor (and they are silent), bid 3H and leave it up to partner to raise. This is a nice hand but no texture and bad shape.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 00:28

benlessard, on Aug 14 2009, 07:07 PM, said:

R vs W imps

(P)------P-----(1S)-------X
(2D!)---2H-----(P)--------???


xxx
Axx
AKxx
AKx

2D was alerted as 4 trumps 7-9, opps are very agressive.

We have an agreement that 4th hand bidding can be pretty light (when all other 3 players have showned points).


Is it obvious ?

4h...nonexpert

this one seems easy...


2s for me would be much much more....
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Posted 2009-August-18, 04:01

I really don't get half of the answers. It was posted that 2 HEart could be very light, so the choice is between pass and one more move. I think I would pass now and double 2 spade. Hopfully this gets my hand described.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 04:45

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I think I would pass now and double 2 spade. Hopfully this gets my hand described.


Yep that is surely better. I wish i thought of that at the table. If partner pull to 3m you pass but if he bid 3H you bid the red game.

2H can be light but at imps it served no purpose to bid 2H if you never have a play for 3H. So imo to bid 2H with 24(34) shape and 5 pts is totally useless (unless you have the agreement that its a lead directing).

It make sense to bid 2H with a hand that facing a good take-out double (1444) 15 pts and with a bit of luck you can make 3H/ or you have a good chance to defeat 3S if they take the push. The fact that opener didnt rebid 2S can suggest that he only had 4 trumps but still ive played partner for at least

KJxxx and a side Q or KQxxx and a stiff spade.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2009-August-18, 08:30

2♠. No problem yet.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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