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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-August-15, 14:39

Scoring: MP


1♦-p-1♥-2♣
X -p-2♠-p
3♣-p-3♥-p
4♦-p-5♦-p
5♠-p-6♦-p
6♥-p-p-p


we obviously losed track at some point, but I wonder at wich one. X is support double.
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Posted 2009-August-15, 15:01

Do you play responder's reverse as GF?

If yes: W can just raise to 3♠ i.o the muddy 3♣ bid.

If no: 3♣ shows some random gf hand so W needs to clarify with 3♠ at his 4th turn.
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Posted 2009-August-15, 15:48

Fluffy, on Aug 15 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Dealer: West
Vul: None
Scoring: MP
♠ KQJ10
♥ 762
♦ AKQ2
♣ A7
♠ A973
♥ AK1095
♦ 653
♣ Q
 


1♦-p-1♥-2♣
X -p-2♠-p
3♣-p-3♥-p
4♦-p-5♦-p
5♠-p-6♦-p
6♥-p-p-p


we obviously losed track at some point, but I wonder at wich one. X is support double.

Yes, bid 3S over 2S to show 4 cards.
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I don't understand the 5D bid ? ( Maybe it's a typo and you really meant 5C as a cue ? )
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Posted 2009-August-15, 16:07

My guess is at 3♣.

For me this would be a general directional ask often based on a good diamond suit.

Over 3♥ I would then play suits are cues agreeing hearts. So 4♦ appears to have denied a spade (if you cue 1st/2nd) and a club control. Although possibly if you think responder is rebidding a four-card heart suit then 4♦ is natural while we still explore for the best game.
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Posted 2009-August-15, 17:57

Thinking about the problem some more, it's possible Opener with his 18 hcp, may have thought a 3S bid ( instead of the 3C cuebid ) would not be forcing.

But didn't partner's 2S bid establish a game force? If partner only had a minimum, he would have attempted to signoff with 2H ( even if were only 4 cards ) over Opener's Support DBL.
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Posted 2009-August-15, 18:30

ONEferBRID, on Aug 16 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

If partner only had a minimum, he would have attempted to signoff with 2H ( even if were only 4 cards ) over Opener's Support DBL.

... or in 2♦.

Although some play that responder's reverse is only a one round force.
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Posted 2009-August-15, 20:07

I'm OK with 3♣ but 3♠ is clearer once responder GF's.

After 3♣, Opener needs to bid 3♠ to clarify intentions. As it was I thought opener had a monster diamond hand with 3♥.
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Posted 2009-August-16, 01:25

Even if responders 2♠ was only a one-round force, a raise to 3♠ is GF (natural slam try). We don't change trumps in an inv+ sequence without forcing to game.

So the 3♣ bid, combined with 4♦, got the aution off track. Responder never understood that opener had spade support, instead believing he had 3-card heart support and long diamonds.
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