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Style of overcalling II Equal Level Conversion (ELC)

Poll: How off-shape are your T/O doubles? (66 member(s) have cast votes)

How off-shape are your T/O doubles?

  1. I double. I play ELC (9 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  2. I overcall 1 spade (20 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

  3. I overcall 2 diamonds WTP? (15 votes [22.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  4. I pass WTP? (18 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  5. Others (4 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

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Posted 2009-August-15, 07:42

You know, every once in a while, a call might result in a disaster. Happens from time to time.

Also, when there are two options, every so often one of those two options could result in a disaster. That also happens from time to time.

But, occasionally the other option also could result in a disaster, from time to time. Like, when the auction goes 1♥-P-4♥ and you have an unknown spade fit, as a simple example. Or, 1♥-1♠-4♣(fit jump) and you have a massive diamond fit.

I bet any decision here could have a large number of "but what if" observations.

I have seen a lot of -1100 pushes in my day, too. If anyone had just passed, the score would have been -140, but no! Both idiots did something stupid and went -1100! Or, maybe the bid was right and thus both people got a normal -1100?
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Posted 2009-August-15, 10:34

I play X for take out :lol:

X on these hands and partner will be keen to tell you l about that nice 6 card club suit they hold, proabably at the 4 or 5 level - and they'll play it it X'd

1 ♠ at pairs and perhaps favourable at teams otherwise pass
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Posted 2009-August-15, 14:20

rd6789, on Aug 16 2009, 04:34 AM, said:

I play X for take out :)

X on these hands and partner will be keen to tell you l about that nice 6 card club suit they hold, proabably at the 4 or 5 level - and they'll play it it X'd

1 ♠ at pairs and perhaps favourable at teams otherwise pass

While I am not a fan of ELC and if I double I expect my partner to be keen to bid their six-card suit at the four or five level in competition with appropriate values I would hope that if we did play ELC that partner would be just a little more reluctant to take a unilateral action at those levels knowing that I might not have support.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 12:28

Call me unusual but I vote for 2♦. Although I have ♥xxx the rest of my hand is worthy enough of a 2/1 overcall (purity of suits). My 2nd choice is 1♠. The reason why I go for 2♦ is that we may still be able to get to spades if say lefty raises hearts and partner doubles for takeout.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 12:34

vincit, on Aug 14 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

You have :




RHO opens 1♥ what do you bid ?

Does the type of scoring affect your decision ?
Your opinion : ELC vs Standard (X + suit = Strong Hand)

1♠ -- WTP?

I can understand being a little skittish about 1♠ when red, but at this vul. I won't start having second thoughts unless it goes (1♥) - 1♠ - (P) - P - (X) to me...
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