[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

ps -ps-ps-1♣
2♣*-ps-4♠-??

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[pooltuna]

cnszsun, on Aug 14 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

ps -ps-ps-1♣
2♣*-ps-4♠-??

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I bid 5♣ not sure if I am bidding to make or sacrificing

[Phil]

5♣. 800 written all over it, but I can't resist.

[gwnn]

me neither:) 5♣

[aguahombre]

Phil, on Aug 14 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

5♣. 800 written all over it, but I can't resist.

5C also, but don't remember when the Michaels side ever had enough of a clue to double. The ranges of the cue and of the 4S call are just too wide.

[Cascade]

4NT showing 4=6 in the minors.

[Jlall]

Agree with 4N.

[skjaeran]

4NT. To make or save, I don't know (or care).

[Free]

I also prefer 4NT, gives us most options.

[kenrexford]

I love these types of responses.

Three people in a row will typically give a half-though answer. Then, someone posts the thought-out answer and a full set of agreements follow.

4NT clearly right, not 5♣.

[skjaeran]

kenrexford, on Aug 14 2009, 09:54 PM, said:

I love these types of responses.

Three people in a row will typically give a half-though answer. Then, someone posts the thought-out answer and a full set of agreements follow.

4NT clearly right, not 5♣.

LOL, it's difficult to post a reply before you've seen the post at all!

[Fluffy]

4NT showing 4=6? can't you have - Kx KQJ9x AJ9xxx for that?

sorry I couldn't resist . 4NT thank god I don't open 1♣ with 5 diamonds (or hearts)

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on Aug 14 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

4NT showing 4=6? can't you have - Kx KQJ9x AJ9xxx for that?

sorry I couldn't resist . 4NT thank god I don't open 1♣ with 5 diamonds (or hearts)

ur welcome Delay unusual is nice for 2nd action at the two-level. 4NT is delay unusual at this level, too. but I chose 5C, anyway. hard to picture very many hands where clubs are worse than diamonds as trump. There are some. But there are some hands where the tap of the short and strong diamonds is ugly.

Will partner choose clubs with 4-3, or 4-2?

[Fluffy]

sssssh, leave me alone with my blind hapiness

I would also bid 5♣ with KQJ10xx in clubs, but AKQJ10x is more playable as side suit.

Diamonds will work whenever you ruff third heart in dummy, if you don't get tapped fast enough you might make it.

[Cascade]

aguahombre, on Aug 15 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 14 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

4NT showing 4=6? can't you have - Kx KQJ9x AJ9xxx for that?

sorry I couldn't resist . 4NT thank god I don't open 1♣ with 5 diamonds (or hearts)

ur welcome Delay unusual is nice for 2nd action at the two-level. 4NT is delay unusual at this level, too. but I chose 5C, anyway. hard to picture very many hands where clubs are worse than diamonds as trump. There are some. But there are some hands where the tap of the short and strong diamonds is ugly.

Will partner choose clubs with 4-3, or 4-2?

I think so . She has played before hasn't she?

[kenrexford]

Cascade, on Aug 14 2009, 11:18 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Aug 15 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 14 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

4NT showing 4=6? can't you have - Kx KQJ9x AJ9xxx for that?

sorry I couldn't resist . 4NT thank god I don't open 1♣ with 5 diamonds (or hearts)

ur welcome Delay unusual is nice for 2nd action at the two-level. 4NT is delay unusual at this level, too. but I chose 5C, anyway. hard to picture very many hands where clubs are worse than diamonds as trump. There are some. But there are some hands where the tap of the short and strong diamonds is ugly.

Will partner choose clubs with 4-3, or 4-2?

I think so . She has played before hasn't she?

roflol!!!

This cracked me up. About to say same thing.

"Why should I described my hand if I know that my hand probably plays better in my long suit? i mean, partner cannot possibly know that idea -- partner is an idiot who just picks the one he likes most!"

[aguahombre]

Wasn't worried about my pard not choosing clubs unless holding a whole lot of diamonds. But, thought I had better put it out there on the string for those who believed Fluffy was serious or for those who might not want a disaster in an unfamiliar partnership on line.

[kennye]

Since everybody seems to think 4NT or 5C is right, i will play devil's advocate and make a case for DOUBLE. Just because the opposition has bid 4S does not mean they have judged right. Partner could easily have something like Q10xx- Jxx- Qxxx-xx and 4S will be down two, whicle 5D or 5C might be down one. Partner should realize you are minor suit oriented as he knows as well as you that pased hands do not jmp to game with at least four-card trump holding.

[Cascade]

kennye, on Aug 16 2009, 07:11 AM, said:

Since everybody seems to think 4NT or 5C is right, i will play devil's advocate and make a case for DOUBLE. Just because the opposition has bid 4S does not mean they have judged right. Partner could easily have something like Q10xx- Jxx- Qxxx-xx and 4S will be down two, whicle 5D or 5C might be down one. Partner should realize you are minor suit oriented as he knows as well as you that pased hands do not jmp to game with at least four-card trump holding.

I think there are plenty of hands where partner will not know that you are anywhere near this distributional and offensively oriented.

If 2♣ is constructive then i expect my partner to jump to 4♠ frequently with only three trumps.

[BFone]

cnszsun, on Aug 14 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠   ♥ K10x ♦ KJ9x ♣ AKQJ10x

ps  -ps-ps-1♣ 2♣*-ps-4♠-??

Opponents may make slam at this point as the 2C bidder was still unknown (but unlikely 6S can make from the 4S bidder's view); their vulnerable 4S call and partner's pass showed this hand belonged to them. The pass by partner after 2C was critical as useful convention should be used; barring this, partner likely had weak hand with D (no good C support and thus H losers). This made 6C of 6D likely to have at least 3 losers: 2 H tricks, 1 D trick for -500 to -800 while opponents can still make 6S. 6C or 6D makes little difference, but in anticipation of bad !D split from the 2C bid, 6C is safer. Therefore depending on how good the opponents, my bid is 5C instead of 6C (in order to goat them to bid the unlikely 6S especially in MP setting).